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Agree 100%. Last year I sent Kelley and email asking whether he personally supports the Fighting Sioux nickname...got no response. It has been clear for a long time that the UND admin wants to get rid of the name.

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Does the NC$$ settlement really matter that much in trying to keep the name ? The way I look at it, the settlement gave UND 3 years to get tribal approval. During those 3 years UND would not be subject to any sanctions for using the Sioux name. After the 3 years if UND got approval from both tribes they could continue to use the name without sanctions. Without approval they must drop the name or face the NC$$ sanctions (no playoff games at home). I believe that is basically what the settlement says. I don't think it says anything about what would happen in the future if UND keeps the name without approval and is put on the sanctions list and then gets the tribal approval at some later date. If they keep the name and then get approval next year I believe the NC$$ will have no choice but to remove UND from the sanction list. Otherwise they will be going against the wishes of the Sioux tribes to allow the name which was supposedly the whole point of the tribal approval exemption in the first place. Now we can argue whether Standing Rock will ever approve the name, at this point I see little or no chance of that unless they can force a full vote of the tribe through their court system. So, if they pass a law and force UND to keep the Sioux name then they will be subject to the NC$$ sanctions. Until UND is playoff eligible any sanctions have little meaning (sure some schools like Minny won't schedule UND but I haven't seen them schedule UND during the past three years anyway). For me, the ND legislature should have done something years ago, but I would support this effort as I would still like to find some way to keep the name. Basically buying some time to find a way to get Standing Rock to vote of the issue. Any sanctions have little meaning until the 2012-2013 season.

That's why UND wants the game yearly.

With about 35 sec left in the 1st period he was chasing a puck and crashed into the boards in the corner to the ND goalies right He slid into the boards on his right side pretty hard, first hitting his right shoulder, then his head. At the end of the period when the team went to the locker room, he did not follow them. The team went down the tunnel and took a left, I assume that is the locker room, Hextall went a few feet further and took a right (training room ?), It appeared he was holding his right arm close to the body compared to the left arm, My guess is he took some type of shoulder injury, maybe a head injury but my bet would be on a shoulder injury.

Chay needs to pick up his defensive play quite a bit. He needs to learn when to gamble and when not to. He is a very dangerous player, unfortunately it can be good or bad for the Sioux. Against UMD he made an ill advised pinch at the blue line in overtime which lead to an odd man rush and the game winning goal. He did this again tonight in overtime which lead to a great shorthanded chance for ND, not to mention the game tying goal tonight when he got beat like he was a freshman playing his first game. This stuff cannot continue to happen, he is a fifth year senior and needs to step it up. He gets a ton of ice time and if he is going to continue to be a defensive liability then this team will have no chance of winning the NC$$.

State gov should not be involved in passing any bill to force the games to happen. If they really feel they have to go that route then they should put up some $$$, How about $500,000 to the visiting team...then we would see if the Bison really want the games to happen or are just making excuses to avoid a yearly loss.

NDH, I've never had a problem keeping it at 72-73 coming over from roch.

Tickets for the games at Wisconsin on 11/12 and 11/13 went onsale today (9/22), http://www.uwbadgers.com/

My understanding is that it now has to be approved by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel: http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees...mitteeName=PROP Best I can find for email addresses: Lawrence (Larry) G. Scott lscott@pac-10.org James E. Fallis Jim.Fallis@nau.edu Jeff Stapleton jstaplet@monmouth.edu John Iamarino jiamarino@socon.org James Fiore kimberly.wodiska@stonybrook.edu (executive assistant) Ted Gumbart tgumbart@atlanticsun.org Alan Patterson apatterson@triad.rr.com Janet Montgomery jlm@uwa.edu Ira Zeff izeff@nebrwesleyan.edu Donald E. Tencher dtencher@ric.edu Tom Byrnes tbyrnes@cacsports.com

I agree with everything he says, especially this: If were up to me I wouldn't change one thing in REA. In fact, I would work with SL and SR to expand the use of Native American imagery.

Not sure about hockey, but Dale Lennon was a UND player, assistant coach, and head football coach. He left to coach Southern Ill.

If the SBoHE wants to keep the nickname, then they would make a statement to the effect that they are going to give the tribes the full available time up to Nov. We are now 7 months from the deadline, it would be idiotic to terminate the name at this point. If Murphy was really in favor of the nickname or at least letting the tribal members vote on it, he would have issued a statement that the tribal leadership will work towards a vote on the issue if the SBoHE will give them the full amount of time, Nov. 2010. The fact that neither side is willing can only mean that both sides want to terminate the name but don't want to be blamed. If SR would schedule a vote on the nickname, IMO, there is no way in he!! that the SBoHE would terminate the name early. It would be a political disaster. Pretty sad when you have leadership like this. By every possible measure, a sigificant majority of the tribes and the general population are in favor of keeping the nickname. The leadership of the SBoHE and SR seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that the name goes (while avoiding the blame).

The SBoHE, UND president and athletic director, and I believe, Charles Murphy want the name eliminated. They just don't want to be blamed for it. I have been suspicious of Murphy's real stand on this issue for a long time. By all appearances he is just playing a waiting game with the SBoHE, letting them make the move on eliminating the name. Once they drop the name then Murphy has an out...he didn't get enough time to bring this to a vote. If Murphy was in favor of the nickname or a least in favor of putting it to a vote I believe something positive would have happened today. Looks like a game of hot patato going on...in this case they are passing the nickname around and I think the SBoHE will pull the plug on the music this week. If the nickname is dropped prior to the deadline I will put full blame on the SB0HE, Kelley, and Faison. If it goes to the deadline without approval and without a vote on SR then the full blame goes on Murphy.

Matt Frattin. I could see him scoring 25-30 goals next year. With his size, speed, and shot he is a handful. If things play out like I could envision he would be in the Hobey running. Danny Kristo. Had 15 goals as a freshman, should continue to improve, 20-25 goals is not unreasonable to expect from him. Jason Gregoire. Had more great scoring chances over the last 1/3 to 1/2 of the season than any Sioux player I can remember. If he learns how to finish he will also be in the discussion for the Hobey. He could get 25-30 goals. Evan Trupp. A bit of an enigma to me. At times he looks like the best player on the team and at other times I wonder what the heck he is doing. Can't have another 20 game goal-less streak next year. Great talent and I expect a big senior season from him. A 40-45 point season is possible. Corban Knight. I expect him to make a big jump forward. He was going to play juniors this past year and was brought in early due to Frattin being suspended. He wasn't really ready to provide much help the first half of the year. Not really sure what type of offensive numbers to expect but I look for him to take a big step forward in his development. Chay Genoway. As a selfish Sioux fan I can only hope he comes back for another year. That immediately makes the entire offense more dangerous. I can certainly understand if he moves on but I would love to see him go out skating around the Excel center with the National Championship trophy held high. Brad Eidsness. Did not seem to show much improvement over last year during the first 25-30 games this year, but then he was a huge factor for the Sioux getting hot the last 13 games prior to the tourny. He needs to improve his lateral movement and I expect him to take another step forward next year. Would expect a save % of at least .920 - .925 next year. With Eids back and a solid defense I would like Hak to turn the boys loose on the offensive end. When we get up a few goals midway in the game I want to see them put the other team away and not let them back in the game. Establish a killer mentality right from the get-go next season. This team should average around 4 goals/game and the defense should allow around 2/game. If they can do that they will be tough to beat. Assuming all underclassman are back this team should finish in the top two in the league and be able to get a #1 seed. If the team can stay relatively healthy (a big if based on past seasons) they will bring home #8.

Overall, Hak has done a pretty good job. The bar is always high, as it should be, for Fighting Sioux hockey. Any year we don't win the NC$$ championship is a disappointment to me...with that expectation I know I am going to have many, many disappointing results. No matter how disappointed I am at the end of a season, I am equally stoked at the start of a new season because I know the team will compete for a title. We have now had 10 "disappointing" seasons in a row. Over those 10 years, Hak was the coach for 6 and Blais for 4. We have been in the NC$$ tourny 9 times, the frozen four 5 times (championship game 2 times), first round loss 3 times, and regional championship loss once. Overall a pretty damn good record. Unfortunately no titles, which is the measuring stick for this program. Certainly Haks record over the past 6 years should allow him room to get that title. Personally, if there is no title during the next 4 years, regardless of frozen four appearances, I would probably be ready for a change. My one concern with Hak has been the slow starts. The first 5 years they started so slowly that they had to battle to get back into the NC$$ tourny. This year looked different as they started out 7-1-1 till Chay got hurt. I understand that was a huge blow to the team but it took approx. the next 20 games for them to get their act together again...no matter how important one player is I find it hard to understand this, and given Haks slow starts in the past it makes me wonder if they may have slumped to some degree anyway if Chay was not injured. There has been an awful lot of talent rolling thru the program and I find it difficult to comprehend how these slow starts can happen all the time. Basically every year under Hak they have had to have the peddle to the meddle the last 15-20 games of the year to ensure they would make the tourny. I just wonder how much energy is drained from the team as they try to get back in the race? It seems like the team is always pretty banged up come tourny time...is that a result of the effort that is needed to get back in the race and the feeling that players cannot sit out even though maybe they should cause we can't afford to lose a game ? Sometimes when you expend that much energy to get back in the race it is only natural for there to be a bit of a dropoff once you make it...it is too hard to maintain that high of a level for so long. Over the past years hockey has been more competitive from top to bottom. Since the tourny was expanded to 16 teams there are no first round byes for anyone. Even seemingly sure things have resulted in upsets (Holy Cross, RIT). In a one and done all a big underdog needs to do is play a good defensive system, get good goaltending and try to keep within striking distance. They don't need to be the better team they just need to win the battle on that particular day. Does anyone really believe that in a best of 7 series that Yale would prevail ? Or New Hampshire last year ? Or how about RIT over Denver in 7 games ? It was much tougher for a team years ago to pull an upset when there were an average of 8-9 goals a game...it is much easier now when the the games are closer to 5 goals a game. As the goal scoring in hockey decreases the upsets will increase.

How do you come up with a 9-7 record when Hak has only coached 6 years. The most any coach could lose in 6 tourny appearances is 6 games...unless you counted todays as 2 games. If so, I have no problem with that as it was worth as least 2 losses.

I believe when Chay came back he was wearing a cast on one hand which is what caused any problems he had. I don't think the problems he had were because of the time off. This year being off 4-5 months may be a reason for concern if he does come back.

The whole pairwise system needs to be scraped or drastically remade. It is an absurd system where it may be better to lose a game than win due to the TUC cliff. Let's look at the current UND/Yale comparison. RPI: UND 0.5541 to Yale 0.5460 UND wins COP: UND 1-2-1 to Yale 2-0-1 Yale wins TUC: UND 9-10-4 to Yale 4-2-2 No point awarded since Yale has less than 10 games against TUC. Since it is 1-1 the tie is broken by RPI so UND wins the comparison. So it is OK to use an extremely small sample to award an entire point for COP but TUC needs at least 10 games ? Where is the logic in that ? Since Yale is at 8 games why not just "award" them 2 losses which makes them 4-4-2 and would then give them the TUC point which means they win the comparison 2-1. In other words, if one team was 0-10 against TUC and the other one was 9-0 then no point gets awarded ? That is ridiculous. Assume the team that is short games loses the remaining number to get to 10. If they still have a better TUC record then award them the point. There are so many holes in the pairwise that it is just not a creditable system.

fwiw, just to show how important one game can be: If we don't come back to win the Friday CC game we would be 10th in pairwise. On the other hand, if we would have held on to the 2 goal third period lead against Miami instead of a tie we would be a #1 seed right now (4th in pairwise). Need a sweep this w/e.

Been posted in the past but here's another one of the WCHA "leaders": http://www.southwestreviewnews.com/main.as...amp;TM=39340.01

I'm sure you don't think there will be any significant fallout from retiring the nickname early. You would be wrong. I think you need to change your name to "ChickenLittle". You wouldn't be opposed to a name change would you ? It seems pretty obvious that the Summit wants UND. If UND is the best fit (and I believe they are) then Douple would be an idiot to pass over UND to take another team when this issue will be resolved prior to YE. Based on what Douple has said about the nickname issue he may indeed be an idiot but I am betting that he will do what is right for the league in the longterm and that is to add UND.

Exactly how has SR had enough time ? The current council took office in Oct so they have had just over 4 months to attempt to address this issue which is not, and should not be their highest priority. The previous chairman was against the nickname and in no way would allow a vote to be taken. Under RHHT's watch there was no chance of getting approval. To me the jury is still out with Murphy. He was against the nickname years ago but appeared to have changed or softened his stance on that to the point of at least not being opposed to a tribal vote. What will come of this I don't know but 4 months is not a lot of time. If this is allowed to play itself out until 11/30 I believe there is a good chance that the nickname can be kept. I know there is a 0 % chance of keeping it if the State Board doesn't give SR the time needed. Even if Murphy is against the name I believe he will let a vote take place if the tribal members want to keep it. If he is against the name, part of the strategy may be to see who blinks first. No one wants to take the blame so if he can get the state board to terminate it early then SR can always say they didn't get enough time and no one will blame them. However, if progress is made (petition) and the state board backs off then Murphy will get the blame if the name goes and I suspect he doesn't want that to happen.

I don't believe that for a minute. Yes, there is no 100% guarantee that UND will be admitted if they wait until 11/30. There is also no guarantee if they change the name today, tomorrow, or next month. IMO, the only risk of waiting until 11/30 is a delay of one year...very, very little price to pay. If they change the name prior to 11/30 while SR is still working on the issue, then there will be problems for many, many years. It will be difficult enough to change the name if that has to happen come 11/30. There will be some that will never accept a change, but there will be far more that will not accept the change if they thought there was a chance to keep the name but UND and the State Board pulled the plug too early. This will be costly to UND, both in cost of making the change and loss of alumni $$$. Make no mistake, pulling the plug early will result in a lot of ticked off people and this will result, I believe, in a significant drop in donations. If the State Board wishes to pull the plug early then the state should be ready to write a blank check to UND to cover any financial loss. It is just not worth throwing in the towel on the Fighting Sioux nickname to gain access to a bottom feeder league one year earlier. Based on the statements by Douple regarding the nickname I have no confidence in his ability to run a conference successfully longterm. I will be extemely surprised if there aren't major changes in the league membership over the next 5-10 years.

No one is denying the bball team anything. They are not eligible for post-season for a few years, by that time the nickname issue will be resolved and UND will be in the Summit where they will be able to play for the right to be a 14-16 seed in the NC$$ tourny. The pros far outweigh any perceived negatives to let this play out until 11/30.