Bison06

Which we?

Ahhhh, here we have it. It doesn't affect you financially so screw everybody else right? I love to hear from the people who have lost NOTHING during this time on how badly this has affected them.

Yes, herd immunity you science denying clown.

We better shut down businesses and school again then. We'll all be broke and living on the streets, but at least many people won't get a runny nose.

Another classic example of the media taking something that was not said and reporting it as if Trump did say it. People, go to the actual video or audio of what Trump ACTUALLY said on the peaceful transfer of power and stop being manipulated by the media. https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/elections/100000007359070/trump-refuses-to-commit-to-peaceful-transfer-of-power-after-election.html Please, someone tell me what part of this is anywhere near what is being reported.

As you are well aware, changing criteria quietly is the easiest way to manipulate data. Want to ramp up something? Include a few additional criteria. Want to slow it down? Take a few out.

Not refuting your information, simply asking the question. How are they distinguishing these excess deaths, which in this article are attributed to Covid, with deaths that are occurring because people are avoiding necessary and in many cases life-saving medical treatments?(which I know from personal knowledge of medical facilities in my area is a very real reality, chemo, dialysis etc.

I don't know either and the stats can be mind numbing to sift through. Let's simplify it, which may make it inaccurate, but for discussion's sake wouldn't it make sense to look at total deaths in 2020 and compare it to other years? As the baby boomers get older, we were already going to see an increase in death rate from projections I've seen. So that may complicate things, but shouldn't the number of deaths be much higher in a year that we're having an epidemic?

I haven't followed the "excess deaths", how many MORE people have died this year than have died in previous years. That is your answer for how many died right? Or is that simplifying it too much?

I understand how these numbers work and that most people in our country have underlying conditions. So the kickback on the 6% number coming out a month or so ago was overdone to an extent. But it does highlight an interesting point that merits discussion. How many people actually did die from Covid? Meaning that it played a role in their death. We all know that this number is something smaller than the growing total being reported in the media, but how much smaller? I'd like to know.

Listening to health officials is important. Here's where it's important to understand what Fauci is and what he isn't. He isn't responsible for ANYTHING other than public health, so his advice has the narrowest of focus. His advice is to be considered as part of a wide breadth of knowledge that includes long term effect, economic factors, psychological factors etc. Fauci is in an easy position, all he has to say is nobody do anything even if it's extreme and draconian and he has fulfilled his duty as a health care professional, not as a representative who controls the final decision.

That isn't an answer. When will you personally see something as good news? Is it only about cases? Because we were told from the outset that this will burn through the population regardless of what we do for mitigation, we were just trying to slow it down. So why is cases now a bad thing?

For those of you defending the measures that have been taken against Covid, what would constitute good news? I see tons of cases with hospitalization rates and deaths declining or steady as a good thing. Why don't you?

As I’ve said, they are all corrupt. Vote on policy everyone.

You wouldn't know what is and isn't malpractice so just keep rolling on the floor laughing, you're good at that.

Nope, but if you called for the business owner to lose their business and be shut down that would be cancel culture.

How dare you assume gender. You'd be shamed as a bigot in many left circles for that in 2020.

And there's that lovely pattern from the left we have been seeing. Disagree with me and I call for your job. How pathetic.

It's 09/23/2020 and I've yet to hear a single politician lay out criteria for when masks will come off and restrictions will be lifted. Are those of you who support the mitigation techniques being implemented ok with indefinite changes?

So you are of the belief that anyone who votes for Trump endorses his every word?

Again, why didn't we do all of this each year we had a novel virus if it's so effective?

Yes it is. Understanding that the news you are getting on social media is specific to what their algorithm knows will hold YOUR attention the longest is concerning to say the least. Especially when they know that negative news holds your attention the longest. We are all literally living a different reality because we aren't hearing the same news.

I've made this point many time in this thread and it seems to fall on deaf ears. Without some new information proving the way we've handled things for decades wrong, the approach we took(are taking) has zero basis in science and was a complete overreaction that has ruined countless lives. This is unacceptable to me. If some new information had come to light about quarantining healthy people being more effective than quarantining sick people, than our approach would be "following the science" without said groundbreaking study, we were throwing darts in the dark. Logical people have seen these inconsistencies and then wonder what the motivations for this new approach could have been.

And that is exactly what many of the logical among us were saying in April when the media was on it's fear world tour with their death rates of 4-5-6% The early numbers were skewed ridiculously high because the cases were mostly occurring in elderly people who are highest risk.