Bison06

I think you are misunderstanding the reason the NCAA has intervened in the cases you mentioned. They didn't step in because of the kids or coaches or alumni doing anything wrong, they don't care about rules being broken. What they care about is when rules are broken and it is covered up. Since NDSU has held a press conference to address the issue and aren't trying to cover it up or sweep it under the rug, the NCAA has no reason to think that things aren't being handled well at NDSU.

Fine, it made the AP wire. To say the NCAA is going to start banning NDSU from the playoffs for this is ridiculous.

Are you being serious right now? Talk about making mountains out of a mole hill. The hammer is going to fall on NDSU? Playoff Ban? How much more sensational can you make this sound today? The NCAA won't even hear about this. Let your hatred for anything NDSU related go for just a split second and you will realize how ridiculous you sound talking this way.

I am not trying to drag UND into it at all. My intial question was, would you be as quick to judge if it happened to UND, a perfectly fair question as I feel the reason posters on this board are saying Bohl is running "rogue program" is because of personal bias and not based in fact.

That's interesting logic. So if I have no history of speeding and I get one ticket, when coming up with my punishment does the officer say "well up until today you didn't have a ticket, but you got one today and technically that is now part of your history, so we are forced to count this as two, you now have a history of reckless driving and we will be suspending your license"? Moving forward this will be included in Bohl's history, it has no bearing whatsoever when deciding in this case if Bohl has shown a pattern of inconsistent punishments.

It doesn't say he thinks it is more serious. It shows that he is in a position to gather information and make an intelligent decision on whether or not a player's circumstances warrant a suspension. CSU isn't even the toughest game on our schedule and it may end up that putting this off will come back to bite the team in the ass. What if their punishment comes down during a conference game? Will you still be spouting off about lack of integrity? How about you let the situation play out before shouting from your high horse? I am so glad that you personally GUARANTEE UND would handle this differently. Now we know exactly how UND would respond.

Coach Bohl has a very similar history of handing out punishments. Chappell's situation was taken out of the hands of UND, that was an eligibility issue.

I agree with you, lazyness is not an excuse for committing a crime. But, in my eyes, and I have been known to buck the system from time to time, when you commit a crime that is non-violent intent plays a much larger role in the determination of the penalty. I very much doubt these kids sat in their rooms one night and hatched a scheme to commit fraud. This was stupidity plain and simple and I would actually be ok if this situation was punished "within the team". Ultimately a penalty will be handed down in the form of game suspensions, but from the information I have seen they did not intend to commit fraud and even though they signed the sheet, I doubt they were fully aware of the gravity of the position they had signed up for.

You've taken my post out of context. The pattern I was speaking of was if Coach Bohl develops a pattern of not handling disciplinary issues fairly. Up until this point he has, so he has earned a little bit of latitude in my eyes.

Now that is the first fair assessment of the situation I have heard here all day. Who knows what went on with Jemison, maybe he had a history of minor things on the team and an attitude problem. You just never know the whole story and it will never be in the paper. When you hire someone for a job you have to trust them to do it until they prove they can't do it well. As I said, Coach Bohl has a history of being fair with disciplinary issues and has earned my trust.

I agree with your first part, but different cultures? Please. As I said in a previous post, Coach Bohl has also suspended players for missing class. Each situation is different and requires looking at separately.

I know for a fact that Coach Bohl has also suspended players for missing classes. That has no bearing whatsoever in this matter.

From my perspective as an NDSU fan it boils down to this. Things aren't black and white. Up until this point in time, I feel Bohl has been very fair and swift with his ability to punish players regardless of how important they are to the team(If anyone has an example to the contrary I would like to hear it). Because of his track record in dealing with disciplinary issues, in my eyes he has earned my trust in deciding whether or not these are punishable at this point in time. If this becomes a pattern of in the future I reserve the right to change my opinion on whether he is able to dish out penalties without taking into account the players' importance to the team.

Honest question for those of you who feel you can give an objective response. If this was going on at UND would you be as vigorous about your call to action for Coach Mussman?

That's a good question that I don't have the answer to. Maybe the severity of the charges plays a role in Coach Bohl's hesitation to take action vs. those other situations. If I remember correctly Jose had 2 or 3 suspensions prior to the one that finally got him the boot.

I haven't said I don't think it's a big deal. I am saying why not find out who is guilty of what before punishments are handed out?

It is in very poor taste darell to use this situation in the same breath as those schools and their situations. Good lord people.

You mean like when Jose Mohler was the starting QB? Or kicking a player off the team completely who would have likely been a starter?(Garrett Johnson*can't remember if that is his last name)

Quit acting like this offends you and disappoints you as a North Dakotan, this is because it is NDSU as evidenced by your obvious bias. Re-read your last paragraph and tell me you are an objective observer of the facts. If the situation were reversed you would want to let the system run it's course before coming down on your players too. I think what you are advocating for is precisely what is wrong with our justice system in the US. Why have judges if all Class A Misdemeanors are punished the same? Situations are different and require evaluating each one for intent and I do not see malicious intent on the part of the involved parties on this one. I have more of a problem that Jemison wasn't given the same consideration than I do that these players have yet to be punished. If Brandon is found Not-Guilty I believe he should be reinstated.

Great, so when they find out exactly who did what then punishments will be handed out. Why are we so quick to rush to judgement these days? I'll admit I am a little disappointed with the inconsistency in punishments between different situations, but you have to admit the situations are very different and not all crimes are created equally even if they technically carry the same degree of severity in the law's eyes.

So all thirteen people charged had a "high number" of errors? I find that hard to believe. It sounds to me like they don't know exactly who is guilty and who isn't at this point so how can punishments be handed out? At this point I believe that it is in the preliminary stages and Coach Bohl is justified in waiting until a few things play out.

I honestly don't know where to begin with all of the leaps and assumptions you have made in your post. Let's actually look at this from a legal perspective(I am not a lawyer, so if I make assumptions I shouldn't feel free to correct me). From what I have read in the news, the entire "team" of signature collectors is being named in this. It seems as though they do not know exactly who is guilty and who was just on the "team". Let's say for example that it was just 2 of the players who actually committed fraud and the rest of them are being named as a result of being on the "team", does it make sense to suspend all of them? I like the idea of letting this one play out, not because what was done was less of a crime, but because they aren't even sure who did what at this point and it seems as though it might be quite difficult to determine. This situation is so very different than someone showing their genitals, although I would have liked to have seen that play out as well before punishment was given. To say this shows a character flaw and that in some way this reflects leadership is asinine. What this may show is a couple of these guys were feeling lazy one sunny summer day and instead of hitting the streets to get signatures they decided to take the easy way out and sit on their butts. Good lord they are college kids. Have you ever skipped a class and then copied someones notes or had someone take your PRS clicker to a class so you still get participation points for that day? Ever had your wife take your credit card to the grocery store and sign your name? I commit fraud every day when I let my employees take the business credit card to buy office supplies. Turn me in if you want. I am not downplaying this at all, I think it is a big deal and if found guilty the players should be punished accordingly. But don't make this out to be more than it is, a couple of kids who probably felt like taking a nap and still making their $9/hour for that day or couple of days.

I agree, it makes sense that UND would have success against Big Sky teams early on. But, from my understanding, and it appears some disagree with me, it looks like UND is getting away from the power game and I think that could be cause for concern. Like I said, just one man's prediction so even though I would like to think so, it isn't the word of God. As one of my coaches used to say L-J-SHIPO. Let's Just See How It Plays Out.

I am basing this off of what is said on here about focusing on the pass this year and also on the way UND has recruited for the 2012 class and the 2013 class. Lot's of receivers, smaller RB's.

As an outsider, I see the 2012 season for UND as very tough to predict. This winter after last year's season, I would have predicted a very different outcome for UND's season. I originally saw it playing out like this: UND has been a team built in the "Midwestern style" mold for as long as I can remember. They are tough team who knows how to stop the run and has a great offensive line year in and year out. They had the ability to pass, but from my perspective at least had always been a "establish the run to set up the pass" type of team. And UND has been very good at running the ball over the years as a result. Coming into the big sky with the stop the run/establish the run style of play I believe would have been an advantage at first.(See NDSU's success against the big sky style of play) I thought that UND would win a lot of games in the first couple of year because they had a different style. I thought UND would eventually try to match the style of play in the Big Sky and then struggle for a number of years as a result of trying to play someone else's game with what are usually inferior athletes. Let me explain the inferior athletes comment. Compared to teams on the coasts and in the south, I believe that both NDSU and UND are at a disadvantage in terms of raw talent. I have seen superior athletes on most teams that NDSU has played over the years and we beat them with great coaching and assignment sound football. Don't get me wrong both NDSU and UND have great athletes, but as a general rule I believe it to be true, you're welcome to disagree if you like. UND would eventually realize the strength of UND has been stop the run/establish the run and return to that style of play after 4-5 years of struggling. What I see now is actually concerning in terms of how I had predicted UND's entrance into the big sky. Concerning because I believe that in a way UND is already trying to match the big sky style of play by having more of a sling the ball around 4 and 5 receiver sets attack on offense. I see UND struggling more than they would have as a result of "changing" their style of play to match the big sky and doing so with lesser athletes in most cases.(see above explanation). Again this is just my perspective on the events so I may be way off, after all know one knows for sure how events will play out. But, I think UND will struggle in the Big Sky until they return to UND football of old. I am not here to rain on your parade at all. I just see UND trying to fit into the big sky style of play vs. making the big sky adjust to how UND plays.