Bison06

I honestly don't mean this as trolling, because I have always wondered about this. As a UND football fan, doesn't it get old bringing up another sports' accolades to "win" arguments with NDSU fans. We all know UND hockey is great, it doesn't "hurt" me when a UND fan talks about hockey. I don't happen to be a fan of the team, but I am well aware of their place in NCAA hockey and the Ralph's place in the world in hockey circles. But here we are talking about football and the minute it the conversation turns to championships it seems like someone always says well we have 7 of those. No you don't. That's hockey. I am not trying to be a dick, but it is seriously weird that you can be having a totally normal conversation with someone about one sport and 9/10 times turns to talking about another sport altogether.

I am a member on egriz too, we didn't play them last year.

No redshirt for me big guy. I guess I didn't realize that the environment a game is played in is dependent on who ends up winning the game. Interesting thought though.

I don't mind the comparison at all, I think it makes a lot of sense. A point that I meant to elaborate on in my previous post and then didn't is how most teams' success ebbs and flows, even if it is only slightly in some cases. eg Ohio St, Alabama. In general, good/great programs tend to build up over the course of 4-5 years, it doesn't always show on their record due to outside factors, but in general it is true. Many factors fundamental to how the game of football is played are at play here and I will speak more on this point if anyone is curious on why I think that this is the case. So, a team will get one or two really solid recruiting classes and over the course of the next 3-4 years the team gets better and better. Ultimately this will culminate with one or two season where the expectations are very high and sometimes the program hits a high water mark at this point it time. Ok, specifically why I think this applies to the comparison is I believe NDSU and UND are at different points in this cycle exiting the transition. When NDSU was in the final two years of the transition, they had arguably two of the best teams they had ever had. They were at the end of a cycle and naturally had a low point in the cycle following those two years. Had the natural cycle started two years earlier and ended two years earlier, we may be talking about an '06 or '07 NDSU national championship team. For arguments sake, let's say this cycle is a 5 years cycle, year 1 being expected to be your worst year and year 5 being expected to be your best. NDSU started their eligibility in year 1, I believe UND is starting their eligibility later in this cycle. Maybe year 2 or 3. Please don't think I am making excuses for the NDSU program those first two years of eligibility, because I am not. They did not get the job done, period. But there is a cycle that takes place in college football due to recruiting classes and when a team has success there tends to be a let down the following few years. I am hoping NDSU is able to beat the odds this year and repeat the success they had last year. Let me know what you think.

I am of the opinion that one has to look at a program over a period of 5-10 years minimum to see the state of the program. Every program has down years and up years because of the nature of the college game(Completely new team every 4-5 years). If UND wins 3 games this year you won't hear me coming here and talking trash about UND being a crappy program. If they win 4 the next, I still won't say anything. Individual years mean nothing when talking about how good of a football program a school has. So talking about when NDSU had 1 or 2 down years because we had a QB that didn't pan out as well as we projected him to is irrelevant, it happens to every program. Even UND. Had some friends on the team in '02, the year after the National Championship.

I attended a few and played in a few, it's a special game no doubt, but not an epic game that has no match anywhere like some want to make it out to be. Edit: It without a doubt was NOT the most intense atmosphere I played in during my time at NDSU. The only reason it was a big deal for me to play UND was because I had friends on the team and also guys on the team that I did not get along with.

Oh please, nobody believes that. They are a rival no doubt and the Dakota marker actually has made for a much more heated battle between the two schools, but I would actually consider UNI much more of a rival right now than SDSU.

Our rival is SDSU

My only point is to say that noone knows for sure what is going on behind the scenes so why are you assuming it is GT's hangup? It is a negotiation, there are no doubt many moving parts. It appears the wheels are in motion and this thing will get worked out sooner or later. I just don't understand why either side assumes the other side is the reason the contracts aren't finalized.

There has been no indication other than YOUR personal grudge to think that is the reason he isn't playing the game. It is purely your speculation.

What I don't understand about the situation is why you guys are pushing so hard on this thing. If GT doesn't want to play the game, it is pretty obvious it isn't in NDSU's best interest to play the game at this point in history, so let it go. Many posters on this board have said UND doesn't need the game and I agree. It is pretty clear GT doesn't want the game, speculate on the reason all you want, but what is the obsession with getting this game on the schedule?

The reason for not playing is essentially the same, just manifesting itself in different ways. At the root of it, each side is doing what it perceives to be in it's best interest. Understand that it is GT's job to run a viable athletic department, if the UND game helped NDSU more than it hurt, NDSU would have it on the schedule already.

I agree with you and I think most level-headed Bison fans do as well. Where the anger comes in is when UND fans accuse NDSU of not wanting to play the game now when the situation is reversed. We say well you were the ones who stopped the rivalry and that cascades into all the BS rhetoric spewing from both sides. The irony of it is UND was doing what was best for UND back then, and NDSU is doing what is best for NDSU right now and it pisses the other side off even though they are doing the exact same thing.

Thanks, I thought I was going to be on probation. I was thinking, man I've probably been annoying this past week, but I didn't think it was that bad.

I agree, that would have been a great game, I know how good that 2006 Sioux squad was. Keep in mind how good the 2006 Bison were though. Some have suggested, I am one of them, that the 2006 team was better than the 2011 National Championship team. Edit: WTF, why do I have a warn status bar on my account? Really? Haha.

Can we just stop with the condescending thanks for your interest in Fighting Sioux Sports BS. Yes I am a Bison fan, but I am from ND, had many, many, friends who went to UND and had very good friends play at UND. My interest in Sioux sports is not as a Bison fan coming here to knock you guys down, so don't take every post I make as a shot in some way. Do I get into it with someone occasionally because I am passionate about the Bison, of course. But that doesn't make me a troll. If a UND fan asks that exact question it would simply start a discussion about the topic being brought up. To answer your question, no being a transfer doesn't mean you automatically get the job. But at the QB position in particular competition isn't always what's best, it can ruin the confidence of a previous starter knowing he is now competing for a job that was his a second ago. What's the old saying, if you have two starting QB's, you really don't have one. A clear cut starter is always what's best for the team and the players IMO.

I am not saying I disagree with the move to bring in Hansen at all, he looks to be the real deal and could really help the team. But, do you think this might set a dangerous precedent at the QB position? Bringing in a guy who will only be there for 1 year at such an important position, and pretty much handing him the position?

Yeah he appears to be a great pickup and should hold down the position fairly well while Mollberg is learning the ropes.

I agree, I have watched Hansen a little and from all appearances he seems to have "it". It's just hard to know how he will react when it is full speed and he is the starter and being looked to as a leader. I may be wrong but I don't think he has been a starter before, is that correct?

I agree, it is a fun game to play in and to watch, I have wavered from wanting the game and not wanting the game, but I do think the time has come to at least start the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

Who is this quarterback that makes you think that the QB situation is taken care of?

Why is it arrogant to work towards a team's personal view of an ideal schedule? UND is doing the same thing. I am open to doing the game as long as the terms are beneficial to both sides. Given the games are being talked about for 3 and 5 years from now, I think the timing is right. For the Bison fans that need UND to "prove" itself at the next level before we schedule a home and home, I have no doubt that will happen before 2015. I am excited for these games and am looking forward to them.

It's only viewed as arrogant because you don't like it. I learned a long time ago that some things are true whether you believe them or not. I think that philosophy might serve you well in this instance.

So it's Bison fans that determine the schedule? Ok I'll be sure to get my vote in on who I want to play in the 2013 season.