Bison06

Why do I have to get back to you when someone at NDSU does anything, they don't speak for me and I don't speak for them, I agree with everything you just said. I also think that voter fraud is a big deal, which is why I have been an advocate for punishing the involved guys. I also don't think we should make it a bigger deal than it is, why am I being attacked for that? I would think a proud American like yourself would be all for treating each situation with the exact amount of punishment it deserves, nothing more, nothing less. To equate the situation in Fargo right now to anything in the Middle East crosses that line IMO. Feel free to disagree, but to tell me I am immature and need "real world experience" because I have that opinion is laughable.(Not directed at you)

So you think bringing up a fallen soldier in this situation is fair?

Please oh please tell me more about this real world. You don't know the first thing about me.

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I am not rationalizing anything, I am not making excuses for them or for the people who have decided not to punish them. I have been vocal since last week that this deserves a 1-2 game suspension. What I will discuss and stand up for is UND fans wanting to make this MORE than it is. I haven't said even once that I don't think it is a big deal. You accuse NDSU fans of making this out to be no big deal, well you are making it a bigger deal than it actually is? Which is worse? The truth will do, there is no need to sensationalize it further and make it a bigger deal than it actually is. It is already a big deal, just keep it to the facts without injecting these emotional scenarios where people are losing their lives for peoples' right to vote.

You don't think evoking the memory of a lost hero is a bit much? Considering they aren't stopping anyone from actually voting and the situations aren't even in the same universe I would say it is at best unnecessary sensationalizing and at worst tasteless. One is a group of people who have been oppressed their entire lives, living under a dictator, denied any human decency and faced torture or death likely every day of their lives. The other is a situation where nobody is losing the right to vote, nobody is being oppressed, nobody is going to be physically harmed in any way, if it is a valid measure it will be on the next ballot. How are these situations being talked about in the same conversation?

This is not further defense of what these guys did so do not take it that way, but why is the obvious being overlooked on this? These measures would not have made it onto the ballot anyway. If they needed fraudulent names to get over the number then they didn't have the numbers they needed to get on the ballot. Nobody's right to vote is being infringed on so there is no need to sensationalize this by evoking war heroes and their memories, that lacks taste to bring up in this situation IMO.

Why am I being named in this? You guys have a serious problem with lumping everyone together.

Marcus will likely be drafted.

I like beer, can I come too?

Coach Bohl answered that question in his press conference very candidly. He said he had known about the pending charges for "a couple of weeks". It would have been very easy for him to "take the easy way out" and suspend the guys for a meaningless game and it would have been done. For whatever reason he has decided not to, or someone has decided not to suspend the players and I would assume they have been punished within the team. To say that NDSU only cares about winning and rules be damned is not an accurate description of the scenario(you may not have said this, but others have) because they could have punished the players without having to sacrifice a win.

Don't change the facts to fit your argument. Coach Bohl knew about this weeks before the CSU game per the articles everyone is quoting. If he wanted to react quickly to this he could have very easily suspended them all for the RMU game, a game that we could have won without any one of our starters. So to say that the timing is suspect and he delayed the process to make sure two starters could play in the CSU game is disingenuous.

I agree, a one game suspension should have been handed out, not sure why it wasn't. But let's not kid ourselves, had a one game suspension been handed out people would still be hungry for blood. There isn't really anything that they could have done that would have been good enough. People who are looking for NDSU to stumble will always be there to pile on when things like this happen.

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Glad I am in your head since it is your self proclaimed mission to get inside my head. Walked right into that what didn't you.

This is the attitude that has had me continuing this discussion. Some UND fans here on this board are so convinced that UND is above things like this, and it is really getting annoying. Chicagoland politics? smh. I must have missed the article about Coach Bohl throwing someone in Lake Michigan with a pair of cement shoes. I have no problem with anyone having the opinion that these guys need to be punished, heck I agree with that. But the hyperbole is so over the top in this thread and you guys are making this out to be so much worse than it is.

Great so when they OFFICIALLY change it, I will call it whatever they decide to call it. I understand you are in love with your own opinion, but you are insane and your opinions on 99% of topics are ridiculous.

Do me a favor, go to ESPN and check the bottom line when they show the UND score and tell me what it says. Haha, as always your logic is flawless.

Does anyone know who the Minneapolis Lakers open up with this year? Or how about the Seattle Supersonics? Just recently I have become a huge fan of Montreal Expos, and the Charlotte Hornets. But my favorite team is the Minnesota North Stars, I just love that Mike Modano, he seems like a real stand up guy.

We aren't making it very difficult, so it's hard to blame people for criticizing.

Man you guys are really on a roll here, keep the zingers coming they are hilarious.

I hate when you can't hear the point because it is on mute.

Most of the time it starts with one or two guys getting a job and then it starts a pipeline that brings other guys to that job. Back in the early 2000's a lot of guys worked for the city doing street repair. They didn't get hired because they were NDSU athletes, they hired one guy and he referred a few other guys and pretty soon you have 20 guys working at the same place. Same thing on all college campuses in the summer, but NDSU football players have a pretty limited time that they are able to have summer jobs during the day. To find a job that is easy on the body and pays decent is the priority of all athletes in the summer.

What I don't understand is this underlying tone in a lot of posts in this thread that seems to imply UND is above all of this. These things are a matter of timing and any reasonable person can acknowledge that. UND will have it's time as will every other program, sadly the more talented the team the more likely they are to have behavior issues. So with UND heading into what seems to be an upswing in talent, more off the field issues can be expected. It comes with the territory.

I don't understand how you can say that and think it is justified. What has he ever done that makes you think he runs a dirty program?