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Suprised that UC-Davis game didn't have a bigger number. Remember that game being packed. By far the loudest game at the Alerus that I can remember.

As was I. The student section was packed and loud! Overall a great atmosphere for the Alerus. Hope the team gets 10000+ for their rest of their home games.

Good win to start the D1 transition. The one thing my buddy and I commented on was the "eye test". You know how some teams run out of the tunnel and they pass the "eye test". This has to be one of the smallest overall teams I've seen UND put on the field in years. From lineman to linebackers. I went with some friends last year to see NDSU and Sam Houston St. When those teams came out, they passed the "eye test": Both big/lean and on the field they were tough and fast. Our guys played with a lot of toughness last night, but we also didn't show a lot of speed overall. Great crowd and good win. We had a blast.

30-21 UND

Looking forward to going to the game tonight and the upcoming season. Upward and onward into D1. Hopefully UND can have the success that our rival to the south has had during their transition because the blueprint on how to make that transition was laid out well by SU.

I understand your points above, but the quality, from an academic perspective is the same for each school from the info I have read/seen. The entering HS GPA and ACT averages are statistically even for the average student applying at both schools. So I'm not based on assumptions. I will grant you some variables, but all things considered I would venture to say that those variables are close to be statistically even as well. Again my point is not that NDSU admits "dumb" kids. But if you are admitting a higher percentage of a like quality student based on academic findings, which was established to be on average equal, from a like size application pool, you are accepting a few more kids from a lower average academic standpoint. Not going to break into any registar's office so I agree you can't prove your point or mine. But I still feel that based on the info there is some validity to why I started this thread. So with that, I'll be done here. Let the shots be fired. If there are those who think I'm way off here, I will respect that. If there are those who think I'm not smart, my wife already has had that one covered years ago.

Thanks for you insight on the fact that I may not be smart, but in this case I'm right. You can spin this however you want. In this thread and in US News and World Report and anywhere else you want to look, the "academic" average, ACT and HS GPA being that general critera, is statistically even between the 2 schools for incoming freshmen. So again a bell curve is used for the sake of "averages". Not just plotting one factor: ACT scores. So if you are going with the "average" info provided, you have a bell curve for UND and one for NDSU. Under that curve represents the incoming freshman applicants, which is statistically even too. In the center of the bell curve, on it's highest point, is the "academic" average of those incomg freshman, which is again the same for each school. So right now you have 2 bell curves that look exactly the same, one for each school. If UND accepts the top 70% of it's applicants and NDSU it's top 85% or similarly close to that in each case, the bell curve shows that the 15% more accepted by NDSU falls below anyone UND accepts based on "averages". This is not even arguable based on the scenerio of average academic quality and a same sized application/admission pool. Under this scenerio: 1) NDSU accepts more student: 85% to 70% of applicants 2) because of that NDSU accepts some lower academic quality students, again based on the average, that UND doesn't. So I will boldly state that because of the bigger admission total to become the biggest university in this state, NDSU does accept some, obviously not all, lower academic students than UND, based on the average info given. I'm not going to argue about plots of ACT scores, but again make a case for my initial assumption to start this thread. I know I'm not smart, but under this scenerio, I'm right! We can agree to disagree if you wish though.

And you are entitled to do so. And your original post is well stated from a different point of view.

As I stated I'm not arguing with the "numbers" or "facts" in this thread. It is apples and oranges to you because again you are too ignorant to see that statistically the numbers are what they are. And speaking of numbers, my balance sheet is in the black with lots of zeros after the numbers. But I do appreciate your concern for my financial well being. Now you and NDSUguy can go do flash cards together: 2 + 2 = 4...until you two figure it out. You never did answer though my question from my previous post: "Which way is it?" Because statistically it has to be one way or the other.

I did go to UND. Wound up being a doctor. Not the best student in the world, but I could have received an Ag degree from NDSU in my sleep as many of my HS buddies did just that. So let's look at the numbers in this thread and I'm not arguing any of them. Entering students at both UND and NDSU are statistically similar academic-wise and the application pool size are statistically similar as well. So if you have roughly the same number of first year kids applying to both schools with on average the same academic standing, and if you admit 85% vs 70% of applicants, you are taking some less qualified student as you are admitting more. Simple math because each school is going to admit as many of top qualified students as they can. Do you see how the bell curve works here, Einstein? If both schools take the best possible applicants they can, but NDSU admits 15% more applicants than that 15% is going to be less qualified. And this is why NDSU is at about 13, 000 student according to today's Fargo Forum. And Ivy league schools admit in general around 10-15% of first year applicants. So you and other SU "intellects" would theorize that because these schools admit a small % of applicants, they get inferior students that apply to begin with? Because what I'm hearing from the NDSU people is that the higher the admission % correlates to a higher quality academic applicant pool. So which way is it? And from another post of mine in another thread, "Come mow my grass!"

Would you ever go and unirate on your neighbor's front door even if you didn't care for him. I know I wouldn't, but I would take offense if that same said neighbor took a leak on my front door. I would definitely let that neighbor know enough is enough! Same thing goes here. I wouldn't go, and have never been, to SU's forum site and spew non-sense just for the sake of irritating people. But that is exactly what happens here...frequently. Besides, reading anything on SU's forum site would automatically drop my IQ by 80-100 points! Then I'd have to steal that "Slow children at play" road sign in my cul-de-sac and put it in my house!!

I agree with the fact that the Bison trolls bring nothing to the table of value. Usually is it a biased opinion without facts or merit to back it up. But it really doesn't bother me due to the fact that an SU grad cuts my lawn, changes my oil and is my barista for my 6 AM cup of coffee! If trolling SS.com boosts their self esteem, better than them flashing a playground full of kids!

1) The article was about undergrad admissions only. 2) I do find that intersting and it actually suprisesd me a little. 3) But doesn't get back to my original point to start this thread. The last 15% of applicants accepted at SU (again 85% to 70%) from a mean deviation standpoint have to be lower qualified student from a similar app. pool. 4) The article also shows that the undergrad population total is with 20 students, if my memory serves me correctly. between the 2 schools with compareible average GPAs and ACTs from it's app. pool. NDSU has grown, but don't think they haven't grown without taking students that they probably wouldn't have taken 5-10-20 years ago from a qualification standpoint. You just can't twist the numbers to say they haven't and don't.

Harvard was rated the #1 university in the nation. There they accepted 9%, yes just 9%, of incoming apps. According then to Bison Dan's theory, Harvard gets a lower "class" of student then UND, which gets an even "lower" type student then NDSU. Because the higher % of apps. accepted means you have a greater number of "top" students applying. Ah, the wonderful world of reasoning via Bison Dan? Bottom line, ask any admissions director at any college, the lower your acceptance % means you have a larger, better qualified application pool. You think Bismarck State gets a "higher" qualified student pool then NDSU. No, and you could probably count on two hands the number of applicants they turn away per year.

But it is kind of fun.

I'd like to meet you face to face to see what a really stupid person looks like! Nice spin. No, what this probably says is that NDSU, based on the numbers, takes a lower quality of student to reach it's enrollment goals. If UND and NDSU have roughly the same number of incoming students, which I thinks is safe to say, and NDSU accepts 15% more applicants this statistically makes your reasoning invalid. You are a piece of work, Dano! And if you want me to draw you a picture, a simple bell curve statistics graph would be easy for you to understand.

Thought this was interesting. In the fall of 2007, UND accepted 70% of incoming applications. NDSU accepted 85%! My question is everyone here in Fargo is beating their chests that NDSU has a bigger enrollment, but at the sake of accepting a lesser quality student? Proceed...

Fixed your post!

Good points!

Which is why for generation after generation there has been nothing but unaccountabilty and dysfunction on the reservations of this state and thru out the nation. Why change when that cash pipeline keep the dollars flowing?

And you know this how? Were you in the meetings with UND and the Higher Ed board? You also probably believe the world is flat and no one is going to make you believe different. Again, for the sake of continuing to show your complete ignorance, you should stay out of these conversations. But you probably got an A+ in your deductive reasoning course at NDSU!

If changing the nicknames takes some of the tax burden off my back because now some NAs are going to feel more empowered and less abused and then decide to take more responsibility for their own lives ...great! But at 5'8", white and 39 years old, I think I have better odds of playing in the NBA than that happening because the Sioux nickname is dropped!

Exactly. For some it's easier to point out the zit on someone else and ignore the big wart on their own face.

You're a tool!! If you're lucky at best, you're a NDSU grad, but even at that you're too stupid to understand this situation. What university doesn't have their share of "troubled" students. Again I said UND is not without blame in this situation, but as an outsider, you're simplification of this issue shows your ignorance. The tribe's have said first and foremost that the abuse of the nickname/logo is the main reason they want to get rid of it. You think UND is the major abuser of the name and logo? Come with something legit or stay away because you're clueless here.

And who would that be? Pull your head out of your ass!! I'm sure the student section at NDSU over the years, with their vulgar t-shirts and chants tarnishing and trashing the Fighting Sioux nickname, had nothing to do with the tribes taking the stand they have! UND is not blameless in this mess, but what other university in the NATION has done more to promote NAs within it's programs over the years?