Oxbow6

Agree. A dead ball personal foul penalty is deemed a positive now in this program. Pathetic is spot on.

And to your last sentence... it starts w Muss!!!

What are the options?? IMO Bartels isn't a better one. Joe was not good last night but he was still better than any O lineman or anybody on the opposite side of the ball.

That's because we have heard for years now that Muss is a "player's coach"...how's that working out!

I missed the SF debacle but without question last night was the first time at the Alerus I was truly embarrassed for this program after sitting thru a game. Sad... We take a tota a** kicking and have next Saturday to reflect on it while we all watch Gameday at the AC and realize exactly how far this FB program is from being relevant in any way shape or form.

Welcome to the dark side...finally! The lack of discipline and continued mistakes both physical and mental are signatures of a Muss team every year. Throw in the fact he is a brutal in game decision maker and... Well enough is enough!

Joe isn't the issue on this team...far from it. IMO Muss rides him thru the next 2 games. If a change is warrented do it for EWU...have zero chance to win that one anyways.

Exactly

Really 9-9. Their punt came on their last meaningless series. Couple that with fact of UND not getting a TO... This is a 5-6 or 6-5 season...again. Probably just enough for Muss to stick another year and then for me to say enough as a season ticket holder. Last night was absolutely pathetic FB. Muss used "frustrated" in his post game presser...I'm far beyond that!!!

Let me simply quantify this...the FB I witnessed live tonight was garbage. Plain and simple. Keep the "progress" BS out of any discussion.

7 minutes left in 3rd down 40-10 and Muss is yucking it up and laughing with an official. Total clown!! His exit can't come soon enough!

Griz 346 yards in half.

+1

Thank goodness! Frickin' Groundhogs Day every game at the Alerus.

Joe doesn't play D...or coach!

At game...embarrassing!

Sane??? Anything but...I live in Fargo. Again, sane???

UND needs to go from a 4 WR spread set to start the game IMO. The Griz don't have cover guys for the 4 WRs UND could put out there. Spread them out, chuck it around, use Joe's athleticism and then hit them on occasion with a run...with a bigger back that Miller that could get you 3-4 yards a pop.

If Joe is your guy this week, he needs to get all the 1st team reps...period. How about putting Joe in the best possible position to succeed and not concerning yourself if Bartels might play or not because may struggle.

In this day and age, not surprised. "Offends one..." People have taken the fact that they have "rights" to an illogical extreme as to basically trash this country from using any common sense. On side note, my kids are in the midst of homecoming week at school. Yesterday was costume day. According to my daughter, one boy came to school as a knight in shining armor and quickly had his plastic sword taken away as it was deemed a weapon. By the way, I'm offended by PC zealots and idiots in general...

If UND has any aspirations of making the playoffs, it has to start vs. Griz....34-30 Sioux.

Sounds about right to me. My original guess in another thread was -7. Big difference though laying down real coin at -7 vs -8. If I were to bet I'd definitely take UND +8 at home. Bet enough games back in the day to know a home dog getting a TD+ is the proper bet...most of the time. I could see a very similar final score from last Saturday or of course a UND win.

Now you are just talking "cray cray"...what the kids are now calling "crazy"...per my teenage daughter. I'm agreement with all of it...even as a hockey fan. The bar for this FB program should be at a minimum a playoff appearence. Hockey...it's a Natty. Muss has to get a win...at home...vs. the Griz, Cats or EWU IMO. The Cats game looks like a better possiblilty due to their QB situation so if he can get this game vs. the Griz, then a win vs. a delepted Cats squad...one never knows about a possible playoff spot then! "Keep calm and beat Montana"!

You don't get torcherd for a BSC record 660 yards thru the air without having some doubts/concerns about stopping the same group of WRs. Anything else is reckless chest thumping. If UND can run the ball a little bit and slow down the Griz running game...now you got something.