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You're right, you can't dismiss it as an option, and that may be what we do for a year. However, I don't think that decision would last long, if it got implemented at all. It's just not a smart business decision.

Yeah, they couldn't even get that one Sioux motorcycle to start last year, or the year before, forget which.

I think it's funny how people keep comparing UND to the top of the top-tier programs when it comes to this nickname stuff. UND, even with the Sioux nickname, can't compete with the ideas that are being given in correlation to those universities. Michigan is just that, Michigan. What do you think of when someone says Texas? Ok, how bout when someone says Longhorns? Now, Florida? And what if someone mentioned Gators? It's obvious you know exactly what someone is talking about when they mention the nickname. Just like Michigan. If you said Wolverines, you know exactly whom is being mentioned. Michigan has done great with marketing that name. The school is academically one of the best in the countries as well. We aren't Michigan, so why compare us to Michigan? Not only that, but they sell ten times more stuff than we do, so as long as it's blue and gold, they can say whatever they want to say. UND is different. We are a small school with a smaller fanbase, and less marketable income. There are only so many ideas you can put on a t-shirt referring to UND if all you have is the ND logo and no nickname to work with. And blatantly, nothing's intriguiging about a logo so similar to Notre Dame's and as bland as it is.

It could be argued, but would be a dumb argument. Yes, people will be upset about having a new nickname, but it likely won't be because of the nickname itself. Those people will be angry no matter what. If we have a proper nickname that isn't horrendous, people will come to accept the change even if it takes a little time. Having no nickname is a nice thought, but would be a bad move by the university.

Not feeling it, just to be honest. The one thing going for it is our mascot could be Spuds MacKenzie

People would still have found reasons to hate Finley, and then actually have a second defenseman to beat-up after he (whoever it may be) got schooled trying to stop countless 2 on 1's and 3 on 1's.

We'll see how MacWilliam does following his shoulder surgery, which turned out to be worse than originally thought. He should be ready for the season, but shoulder problems plagued Forney's NCAA career.

I don't see having a modified ND logo being something drastically more marketable than what we already had. The ND logo merchandise being sold was an alternative to using our Native American logo. As a standalone marketing campaign, the ND logo sales will be better, but not to the point of what a new logo would bring. People already have many ND only products, and it wouldn't generate the excitement (good or bad) of a new logo. I don't think many of you know or understand marketing if you think that the ND logo alone is going to be great for sales. People will be against the new logo at first, but people will come to accept a new nickname. There will also be people that are pro-Sioux, but aren't against the new nickname and want the latest and greatest in UND nickname apparel. I think it's fair to say most people prefer UND apparel with our Native American logo in comparison to our ND logo, and the same can be said for any new nickname we have (assuming it's not something horrendously bad). If anything, if UND doesn't adopt a new nickname and just markets ND logo apparel, many people will continue to just continue using Sioux products, hurting sales even more.

For monetary reasons, there's no way that I can see us having no nickname. Selling merchandise with the new nickname will be economically substantial for UND, in my opinion. There are already products out there that just plainly say "North Dakota" or "U of North Dakota" or "UND" without the Sioux nickname, and I doubt you'd see a spike in those sales like you you would with merchanside donning the new nickname. As nice as it sounds just to be "North Dakota", I highly doubt it would happen. People might be upset about having a new nickname, but no matter what you do, there will be people that don't like whatever decisions are made. Eventually, these emotions will deteriorate and people will accept the new nickname eventually, and the sooner that new nickname is implemented, the sooner those things can happen.

The current Ralph is big and beautiful as we all know, but Sioux hockey doesn't need it to survive. We've won 7 titles, none in the current building. Let 'em tear it down if it means keeping the name. I like the name more than the building. Yes, we have bragging rights with the arena, and it draws many good recruits. But the banners are what count. They don't give those for having the best home ice.

Did she say it to his face or say it after he left?

Wow, that makes 2 of us!

Of course that's how you think

Dang....and to think I always thought coaches and home ice advantages were useful.

Well, being the mature adult that I am, I don't get hurt by "put-downs" on the internet....especially when I obviously state things just to get people riled up. I heard the guy in this picture likes the Gophers, the Sioux, and Ulf Samuelsson....but those types of people are a dime a dozen, so it really could be anybody.

Either way, retaliation is so childish. Adults don't need to retaliate. I feel I am much more mature than that....

Hindsight is 20/20

Let's not forget the fact the Sioux are bound to run into a "hot" goalie virtually every game....

I somewhat agree on the blacks. They just don't "shine" per-se like the other two in my eyes. Going with something completely different might be very cool as well, I'll keep tinkering.

As promised....the blacks. This time with a potential "C" on it.

Gophers are pansies ("What? That's not an argument?") I'm gonna go get my popcorn ready for this thread.

In regards to adding black... There were some thoughts of adding some, but I had some reasonings behind how I designed them. 1) I wanted a fairly unique design to the jerseys, without being overdone. 2) I wanted to go back to the Sioux hockey roots of mostly just white and green. Until 1984 (so for almost 40 years), there was virtually no black on any jerseys. However, they still wore green pants and helmets. 3) It's almost impossible to avoid looking like another team. So, with my previous two reasonings, it's inevitble to have the same white/green color scheme as MSU. The jerseys are very much different than any MSU jersey though. You can argue that Boston U., Cornell, Miami, and Wisconsin all have very similar jerseys, so having merely the same color scheme as MSU is no big deal IMO. Glad you guys like them though.

Here's my green away version. Was working on the black alternate version before my program crashed (first time it happened, so not sure why). I'll finish it later... Added the white ones again just for a side-by-side comparison.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so no offense taken if you disagree. I just think that everyone, no matter what age, should be able to use whatever language they decide. To say it's "pathetic" is wrong. I know as many people older than teenagers that use the term as teenagers themselves (whether they use pwn[ed], own[ed], whatever). It's all over TV and it's a part of today's culture. You don't have to use it, but to say it's wrong for someone else to because of their age is an uneducated statement. My opinion.

What makes you better (or above) any other individual simply because of age? Honest question... You never used rhetoric or slang before, even at your wise, old age of 38?