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Theme party provokes outrage 'South of the border' photos spark anti-racism march It's nice that the student-athletes at SCU got NCAA support for their racially insensitive theme party.

Be patient. By tomorrow night, they will be gone with their tails between their legs.

From a "divide and conquer" perspective, it makes sense. By throwing the Illini a bone, the NCAA effectively created a rift between those who wanted to fight and those who were looking for an excuse to bail out. UND faces a similar situation, thanks to Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa.

You radical!

If anyone's interested, I'm guessing that these are the Grand Forks city ordinances under which the three players are being charged.

Mike McFeely weighs in on the new arena, the USHL and the chances of Blais coaching in Fargo. [url="http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=156608

It looks as if the lawsuit was too little, too late. If the University of Illinois decides on its own to end the use of Chief Illiniwek, then it seems the lawsuit is a moot point. Chief's fate to be announced today

Okay. What am I backing you up on? That eading is a newb? That Porter = Panzer? That Porter = Mike Rupp? That Porter is the opposite of Panzer or Rupp? Give me a little help. That's all I'm asking.

Umm....yeah.

Good job. Freakin' editors.

So you're making personal attacks now? Nice. No it isn't. It's an artwork depicting an fictional Sioux warrior.

You're the one attempting to substitute your own skewed definition. The dictionary definition of a mascot that you quoted and the one I quoted are easily understandable. Unfortunately, even kindergartners can understand that your teachings are nonsense.

I'd say it should be a lesson for the entire team: don't get sucked into a meaningless fight after the game has already been decided.

Who said you were a picture?

Because I think most players believe that they won't get tossed unless they throw punches after the gloves come off.

...your personal definition which isn't even supported by the dictionary definition you quoted. And that's the last time I'm going to say it.

Did you read Hakstol's comments from Wednesday's Fighting Sioux Coaches' Show? He didn't want any of his players to fight. He said that having Lee and Fabian out of Saturday's game hurt UND more than the three players MSU lost. He was glad that Kaip didn't fight and he wished that Lee and Fabian hadn't fought, either. So you might consider the possibility that by not throwing any punches after the gloves and helmet came off, Lee was following Hakstol's instructions and trying to avoid getting a game DQ, which is what Hakstol would have preferred.

Yes. No. Wrong. Not even close. The dictionary definition you quoted is actually more restrictive than the one I quoted. The one you quoted says a mascot is person or animal used as a symbolic figure. UND uses no person or animal as a symbolic figure. Nor does it use an object as a symbolic figure, as specified in the definition I quoted. This isn't hard to understand. Just look at the pictures I posted above. They're perfect examples of what normal people consider mascots when the word is used in the context of a college sports team. If you can show me something -- anything -- UND has or does that comes anywhere near what's shown in those pictures, then you can say that UND has a mascot. Until then, your statement is misleading at best and dishonest at worst.

That changed after Ralph died.

Fixed it.

Dye his fur blue, paint his teeth yellow and I think you'll have it.

Now you're back to using your personal definition, which isn't even supported by the dictionary definition you quoted! Perhaps you can explain why, when the NCAA enacted its policy, nicknames, mascots and imagery were specifically identified? If images and mascots are the same thing, why did the NCAA bother to differentiate between them? The answer is obvious to anyone who understands the accepted meanings of the words. Play all the semantics games you want, but you're wrong.

Brilliant response. I shouldn't have to draw you a picture, but I will. Notice the mascots of college sports teams below. There are two people. There's an animal. There's a person dressed as an animal. Chief Osceola, Florida State Chief Illiniwek, University of Illinois Cam the Ram, Colorado State Ralphie the buffalo, University of Colorado These are mascots, the type traditionally used by college sports teams. Question: What does UND have that's even remotely similar? Answer: Nothing. Sioux-cia wins.

Where's the person? Where's the animal?

No, I'm not being silly. I have a Webster's dictionary that defines a mascot as "a person, animal, or object believed to bring good luck." When your own personal definition of a mascot becomes the accepted standard, please let us know. Until then, I'll go by what the dictionary says and what the vast majority of people understand a mascot to be.