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Hold on a minute. Many people at USD wanted to be in the BSC, including the athletic dept. The BSC conference was perceived as the more prestigious conference when compared to the Summit League, The MVFC when compared to the BSC is pretty even with the edge going to one conference or the other depending on the year and the type of season its members put together. Basically, both tough football conferences. The decision was made for USD by higher ups and monied interests in the state. Sure, Pres Abbott could have chosen the BSC, the decision was ultimately his. By chosing the BSC, however, USD would have given up its basketball arena and some of the major donations that go with it. There was a lot of pressure put on USD with the Argus Leader and power players in Sioux Falls wanting USD to remain in the Summit thereby cementing the Summit League tourney in Sioux Falls and strengthening their position for the new Sioux Falls Arena they have been trying to get for years. When it came down to it, all things being equal, USD would have chosen the BSC, but things weren't equal. You had people with money holding the purse strings, not to mention all those people who wanted the rivalry with SDSU back, on both sides. When USD does get its basketball arena, with its historically strong basketball program, if/when the MVC looks for new members, given the location of USD's campus and the profile of its education offering (liberal arts/professional school vs agriculture) it's probable USD will be in a better position to gain membership in that conference than either SDSU or NDSU.

UNC was a horrible football team last year. Having seen USD's home games last year I was more impressed (or suprised) with NW Oklahoma St than with UNC. I would think that should be a win for UND next season. But, UND is going to need to seriously improve next season if they are going to beat USD. This past season there was a noticeable talent difference betweeen the teams during the game. USD is pretty much returning everyone next year, they should be more experienced and more talented. That said, USD did its best tank job at the end of the season so we have our own issues to work on.

USF plays all these teams next year? That is going to be culture shock for USF fans and Sioux Falls people in general. Smack not intended, but that looks like 4 losses right there.

I was gonna pose that question. That would be awesome.

I was told today USD has dropped the road game to Illinois St and are trying to fill it with a home FCS game. We're going to be playing ISU in conference anyway and already have a road trip to WIU, another future conference foe. The other 2 probable home games are going to bodybag games against NAIA/D2 types in all probability. A lot of work still to do on the schedule. I don't see why UND finalized their schedule so soon, there is still time to put games together. Reading this thread there is much talk about not attending the games, slashing contributions, etc. That is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. How can the AD ink future deals against good opponents if the trend is poor attendance and a probable financial loss if he overpays for an FCS team. Treat the game as an event, no matter the opponent, go to the game, tailgate, have a good time and enjoy the show. It's not the players fault, don't punish them by withholding support. Don't they deserve to play in front of a packed house? Hey, at least you get to go to 6 games next year.

It's simple negotiation tactics. I'm not claiming to be an expert. If UND gives in to every other year the problem will be deemed "solved". If UND maintains the every year stance, which appears to be a populist view in ND, they stay on the side of the popular view and can just wait, let the pressure accumulate on NDSU, and eventually get what they want. Especially if UND continues an annual game with USD, then the people of ND will begin to ask if USD, a MVFC member with the same schedule as NDSU, can play an annual game with UND then why can't NDSU? UND could then say they are open to replacing USD with NDSU. USD people wouldn't like it, but would understand the situation.

If UND accepts the NDSU offer for every other year the precedent will be set and the UND/NDSU game will forever be every other year. UND knows this and knows that with every passing year the pressure will continue to mount on NDSU until finally NDSU will have to give in and accept playing every other year. I'd wait em out if I was UND.

I think the 2011 home schedule at USD is going to stink as well but 2012 for both schools are golden. For 2012 you guys only have to make a few phone calls. 1) Get an FBS game. 2) Get a low/non schollie FCS school to come to GF. Drake, Valpo, who cares. Sure it will be a blowout but it counts towards the required D1 wins and offsets the probable FBS loss. 3) Call NDSU, when they won't sign call USD. I'm sure our AD would love to continue playing UND and something could be worked out. 4) The rest of your schedule is set with BSC games. This is going to be so easy compared to what it used to be like. Is it possible to continue the annual home/home USD/UND series. I think it is if the schools are willing to go 5 home games one year, 6 the next. Also, it would mean the Bison/Sioux series is over forever because there would not be room for both. I'd at least like to see USD/UND continue until something can be worked out with NDSU. I realize the resumption of the NDSU game is more important than the USD series. This is what stinks about us not all being in the same conference but I don't think these conference realignments are over forever.

IDK, I caught a bit of a replay of the "Marker Game" on Midco and there were A LOT of empty seats at the FFD, this was in the middle of the game when it was still in doubt. If the fans didn't show up for the big rivalry game with SDSU will they show up for a first round playoff game against a patsy in Robert Morris? According to GoBison the official attendance of the SDSU game was 17037, I call BS on that one. Way to many blue seats for that given attendance. I think given the long wait for a Bison playoff game the attendance will be pretty good, even if it is over Thanksgiving weekend. Heck, by then everyone will be sick of their family and will be looking for an excuse to get out of the house. The new Harry Potter movie might cause some softness in the attendance, however.

Yeah, I am a bit of an outcast on goyotes.net. I read a post from an MSU poster on AGS that I totally agree with. The real villain in all this is Patty V and the MVFC. They waited until there was some seperation between us to pounce. They could have offered months ago. They were more than happy to let both U's twist in the wind until the BSC came knocking in their backyard. If word ever leaked that Pres Abbott, the SDBOR, and AD Sayler had both BSC and MVFC offers sitting on their desks at the same time and they took the BSC they would have been committing career suicide. They would have been villified throughout the state for killing the rivalry forever with SDSU and with harming SDSU by leaving the Summit unstable. We have a facilities project in front of the BOR right now for a new basketball facility and upgrading the DakotaDome capacity to 15,000+. Those projects very well could have been killed from the political fallout that would have erupted if we went to the Big Sky. I fell terrible for UND having to go it alone out west and wish we would have taken the BSC deal but it just didn't happen. I hope we keep our 100 year old traditions alive though. We can still make that happen, we can still have an annual South Dakota/North Dakota football game for state bragging rights and now a "who's better" conference bragging rights.

I hope we play again. I hope we contine to play every single year. I love the UND football game. This is one Coyote fan who is not very happy we aren't going to the BSC.

Thanks. Link edited.

We think our admin deleted our board because he got called out for not policing some of the crap that was posted there leading up to the Minnesota game this week. It was a cyberpi**ing match with some posters from other schools who seem to make themselves unwelcome wherever they go. You all know who I'm talking about. Anyways, come on over to our new digs. The site is pretty raw but we'll make it work for now. http://usdcoyotesports.proboards.com/

Good Luck tomorrow Sioux. We're rooting for you down South.

The real question is what kind of conference mates are the SU's going to be in the Summit? So the SU's are ready to leave our football programs out to hang. Thanks for being good conference mates. This is what we have to look forward to. If the Summit puts together a good, viable conference then the SU's should be expected to join. If not, go ask the Sky if you can play basketball there. I really don't get the SU's objection to this. Any proposed Summit conference would be a pretty decent conference. It's not like NDSU is even competitive in the MVFC. They wouldn't even win the proposed Summit Football League.

Bettman interview upcoming on MSNBC. Should be interesting to hear what he says. I guess it's up to us hockey "consumers" to let him know not to do something stupid like messing with this. If anything I would like to see the teams have a chance to play some pre-Olympic games so they could gel a little more before the Games.

When the pros first began to play in the Olympics I was against it. I always liked our amateurs. I've done a complete 180. This Olympic tournament has been some of the best hockey I've seen. It's like an all star game but the guys are not only going full out, they are totally selling out to win. Every country is loaded with top NHL talent, so the tournament is very competitive, and it's great to see our homegrown boys compete and win. What a game tonight and what a day for the game of hockey (with the 3 rivalry games today). I hope the NHL owners allow the pros to play in future Olympics. To not do so would be shortsighted. The exposure for the sport is great and can only help to grow the sport.

1-0 USA. Scored within the first minute of the game.

You got a point. So many commercials on the big channel. This olympics has pretty much come down to watching curling and hockey on the cable channels for me. It would be nice for the advancement of hockey on the national level for this game to be on NBC in primetime. Relegating it to the cable channel gives me the feeling it's not important to NBC.

USA v Canada NOT on NBC in primetime??? Stupid. And NBC wonders why they are last in the ratings.

I read this phrase all the time over on the Jackrabbit board, "schedule quality FCS teams". XDSU fans like to throw that phrase around but what they are really doing is trying to put down the U's. They always say "quality FCS programs" and then go on to list the reasons why they can't play the U's. Basically, they are saying our programs suck. Well, I guess USD doesn't suck anymore because the Bison have scheduled a home and home with a "quality FCS team". Maybe not, however, since SDSU still won't schedule USD. So is NDSU saying UND isn't a "quality FCS program"? That would just be dumb.

Cross my heart.

Not so fast my friends. Coyotes will win this game . Not a doubt in my mind.

USD 50 - Cal Poly 48 FINAL It was a defensive struggle that came down to the end.

Shhh, quiet. The Coyotes go to TCF next year and we would like to see Brewster at the helm of that mess.