jimdahl

Ham-fighters?

I thought under the previous rule, if UND changed its nickname but REA refused to take down its logos, UND would still have been banned from hosting any post-season events as punishment for regularly playing in a facility that features "inappropriate" imagery. Under the new settlement, if that situation arose UND could still host post-season events, just not at REA (e.g. the football team could host a playoff game at the Alerus). The settlement clearly separates those aspects of naming and imagery that are under UND's direct control from those that aren't for the purpose of applying sanctions. That's why REA was not, and didn't need to be, a party to the settlement agreement.

I don't quite agree with the consensus interpretation of the settlement with regards to REA. By my reading, one of the biggest concessions of the settlement was the NCAA acknowledgment that UND plays in venues that it doesn't control. I think it said that UND can play it's regular season games in any arena fit for use, but that they wouldn't be able to host NCAA championship events in any arena that doesn't comply. Therefore, simply playing regular season games in a third-party non-compliant arena was not grounds for the imposition of sanctions. If that's the case and UND does not secure tribal approval, REA can either choose to comply and become eligible for hosting post-season events, or not.

Sigh. Until I began depending on them, I had no idea the college hockey scores on the news wires were of such variable quality. I know LAST night's score just went out as tonight's score, but that's what's currently on the wire. Saturday Oct. 27 Yahoo! scoreboard Mich Tech. 3 - UND 1 CSTV scoreboard Mich Tech. 3 - UND 1 canoe.ca Mich Tech 3 - UND 1 The Sports Network Mich Tech 3 - UND 1 Argh.

That's peculiar -- I haven't touched it. I'll take a look. Update -- building the pages is a relatively expensive operation so it only does it now and then and caches the result for serving to subsequent requests. Looks like the cache for the stylesheets got corrupted, I have no idea how. Blowing away the bad cached files seems to have fixed everything.

I felt that way years ago when people were getting upset about things like Sioux-per dogs and anti-Sioux chants from opponents. I felt that if a nickname was acceptable, it could be used in ways nicknames are used. That we were starting to have to tiptoe around our use of the name was similar "writing on the wall" to me. That said, I would hope posting respectfully about other people doesn't actually require "tip-toeing" for most of our members. I do think it worth repeating when the State Attorney General urges us all to remember that anonymous Internet postings do get read by all parties. I'm actually pretty pleased with, and impressed by, the general civility of the discussion here in the last day or two. Particularly given the widely varying opinions and reactions to current events. I dove into the comments on the Herald site yesterday and remembered why we require registration and moderate. On an unrelated note -- dittos to Sicatoka and iramurphy on the above post.

Frankly, this should probably be posted in a new thread and pinned as an entreaty to people to post sensibly. It's my recollection that in his activist days, GK would intentionally bait people on this message board and then bring printouts of their responses to Indian leaders as evidence of what we're like.

Based on my read so far I agree, as I said a few times yesterday in this thread and on the blog. I read this settlement as a signal from UND that the only possible outcomes (without sanctions) were tribal approval or changing the name. Given that, this settlement bought 3 years, a clear definition of tribal approval, concessions on logos in REA, and getting off the NCAA's enemy list; all I can see that N.D. really gave up in return was the right to further expensive lawsuits that they knew wouldn't accomplish anything.

I don't think that's quite right either. Under the settlement, if we don't give up the logo we'll be subject to the original sanctions, just as before; I don't see that the settlement gives any additional new punishments if we don't give up the logo. See section 2.d. Therefore, this is better than just losing -- all we've lost is the right to further lawsuits on the subject, but we gained three years to work it out, and get to keep historical and load-bearing logos in non-owned venues.

I just finished reading the settlement cover-to-cover and made a post about it. Here are the points I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere in this thread: [*] The NCAA pledges not to contact any Sioux tribes with any attempts to influence them to provide or not to provide support for UND [*] The Spirit Lake Tribe

Unfortunately, no. The NCAA intentionally made the stick a bit bigger than that. Any team deemed to currently have a hostile and abusive nickname, logo, or mascot is banned from hosting any NCAA tournament at any venue. In participating, they can't use their "hostile" imagery; but under no circumstances are they ever allowed to host. Further, under the previous rules, any team that plays at a venue with any such nicknames, logos, or mascots is also subject to the above restrictions on post-season play. That's why judging the granite logos outside of UND's control (at REA) not to invoke the penalty is such a big deal.

I respectfully disagree with one part of your assessment. Once it subjected us to sanctions that would prevent post-season hosting, I don't think continuing to use the Sioux name would have been smart. From a hockey-centric perspective, as you said, no big deal. But it's hard to imagine that our basketball teams and football team could have experienced the success they have in the past decade if the playoffs always meant road games from round 1 onward.

That's not quite true. As I was just noting over on blogland, a very important concession that came out of this is being able to play in REA without all the logos removed. Don't misread me as painting this as a nickname victory for UND, because it's not. But IF UND thought the only realistic outcomes were tribal approval or changing the name, getting a three year respite to resolve that and not having to remove all the logos from REA was probably worth a million.

The latest version of this software has been rather glitchy -- I've noticed that quoting or editing a post with a link tends to break the link.

This is still available, though not quite ready for wider advertisement than bumping this thread. The last two week's end-of-game scores worked perfectly, within 5-10 minutes of the end of game. In-game remains hit or miss, but that still serves pretty well the target audience of people who aren't monitoring the game via other means. I haven't seen any risk of spurious extra message as with the early implementation last Spring (my biggest concern). I'll be out tonight, monitoring the game via this mechanism, myself. So, if anything goes horribly wrong, unsubscribe

Since this was the first game of the season, it's probably worth taking a minute to shamelessly plug and point out the range of post-game coverage collected for you on SiouxSports.com: SiouxSports.com blog features post-game reactions from our bloggers (thanks Dave!) Wiki links to videos of the goals and other significant events from the game (thanks RedFrog!) Front page links to all the news stories and blogs from around the web And you've already found the message board game thread

This has been working pretty well for me so far. If you happen to be on the board now but are headed out before the end of the game, feel free to join the test: http://siouxsports.com/hockey/notify.php It should definitely be considered in testing mode at this point.

UND with 492 yards of offense. First time this season held under 500.

Ugh. Of 6 losses in the Alerus, ever, 3 are to UNO. Unless we see you in the playoffs, farewell, UNO -- you've always been a game to look forward to (if perhaps with some apprehension)

11,563 said the announcers.

My first thought was that it reminded me exactly of last year's game.

At one point Brad S. claimed the G.F. Herald was going to take this up this year. Any status on that, Brad? It's hard enough to get right that I'd happily yield to the guys with the big bucks if they're going to offer a decent service. Otherwise, I tested it last weekend with a non-UND team (only NCAA games show up) and it worked great. I'm going to do a limited test this weekend with UND. I might open up the test to message board readers tomorrow afternoon, which would help keep the crowd small. It should be widely available after this weekend, assuming the test goes well.

I, personally, might not have created pages for each game that duplicated info available elsewhere. Keeping up things like box scores seems like a lot of work, when it's all already automatically generated from databases in other places (including elsewhere on this site!) My personal strategy would probably have been to try to link to existing databases (e.g. on a player page, link to his stats at hockeydb instead of copy them all over). However, I'm certainly not trying to discourage anyone from doing anything they find useful. The fun part of the wiki is definitely that it democratically gives everyone the chance to build whatever pages about the Sioux they think are cool or useful. If something proves too much work and becomes abandoned, we can deal with that problem then. I still wonder if it would be helpful to have a dedicated wiki editing forum where we could discuss issues like these?

Those are going to be 12,000 bored fans.

Polls are conducted by voters, who are taking into account previous years' performance (e.g. "GVSU is still #1 until someone beats them"). The SOS formula is only looking at what GVSU has done this year, which is generally beat a lot of mediocre teams. I talked a little about this in Football regional rankings released, but the key takeaway is the D-II win percentage of each school's opponents: UNO .5171 UND .4638 GVSU .4286