jimdahl

Thanks for the very detailed bug report -- it was easy to duplicate in IE7 from your description, track down, and fix. I'm now modestly hopeful that was the glitch the original poster had experienced. A great suggestion. I've been working on ornamentation for the menus (see the relatively new icons for links that leave the site), and something to indicate which menus drop-down has definitely crossed my mind. Probably a downward pointing arrow or something (sort of the opposite of ^).

Sorry, an English translation follows: If your web browser was updated in the 21st century, you should see the correct page layout and the dropdown menus should work. If your web browser was made in the 20th century, you will lose all the formatting and the menus will just be giant lists of links, but you should still be able to see and access everything. If you have some very unusual web browser, it's possible that you're stuck in limbo and can just see the top menu items but not use them. If you're stuck in that group, I'm going to make those top menu items do something useful for you soon.

I took great pains to choose drop-down menus that work with all modern browsers (tested on, at a minimum, IE6+/Firefox/Netscape 6+/Safari/Opera) and degrade gracefully on others by showing the fully expanded list (tested on Lynx/Netscape 4.7). They're even fully functional on the Wii Browser That said, there are currently about .5% of visitors who don't have what I listed as a "modern browser" above, and its certainly possible that some fraction of those .5% won't experience the "graceful degradation" of the other browsers I tested. Though the layout actually improves the range of browsers on which the site renders sensibly (see support for Netscape 4.7/Lynx), it's certainly possible that some browsers can't render the drop-down menus but don't show the degraded version of the choices as a list, either. The backup plan for that situation is to actually have the menu links "games" and "people" and so forth lead to superfluous navigation pages; that's just not quite in place yet. Sorry for the inconvenience.

The earliest invention of this prank that I know of goes back to a time well before YouTube... Great Rose Bowl Hoax Watched by 30m people live on TV. I don't know if anyone did it before that, but it makes sense to me that it would be invented by CalTech students at the Rose Bowl in the era that nationally televised sports were becoming big.

One of the topics for which I found the constraints of the message board format insufficient was a D-I Frequently Asked Questions. As one of the topics that inspired the birth of the wiki, I've given such a page a start: D-I Frequently Asked Questions Like everything in the wiki, feel free to edit if you have something to add!

I think you misinterpreted. My link didn't go quite as deep as I'd hoped, try it again.

Uh oh, that's strangely familiar... I briefly considered it. Can you imagine the uproar from the "logo isn't masculine enough" crowd if there were pink on the site? Hey, that's what I said...

I can only speak for myself, but I would certainly give the edge to whoever has home field in that potential matchup. We each have such a distinct home field advantage, that it would certainly provide an edge to whoever had it. If I recall correctly, we're 1-1 on neutral ground, 0-2 at GVSU, and 1-0 at home (with last years loss at GVSU again pushing us off the .500 head-to-head mark). I think a lot of people view the loss Finnerty as increasing the potential for GVSU losing a game or two in the regular season, creating exactly the conditions you described. All such hope aside, GVSU is #1 in my mind until they lose a game and we have to win our games before we start worrying about the playoffs.

That's the beauty of this wiki system, you can view the entire history of the page yourself. Just click "Old Revisions" at the bottom of any page to see its complete history, including every change and who made it. It's that plus the use of our accounts that makes it possible to do something like this without fear of vandalism or accidental modification.

Sorry about that. I was having a last minute problem with it not working right on the new "skin" so booted it rather than holding up the launch -- never remembered to go back in and get it working again. I'll take a look now.

Thanks for all the feedback, folks. The version newly there as of this morning has been tweaked to add a little tougher edge (comparison here). A little androgyny is inherent in the abstractness, and a very helpful design consultant informed me that the sleekness is a feminine trait (who knew?) Of course, the helpful design consultant also questioned the attempt to remove androgyny, pointing out that there are both male and female Sioux athletes.

Huh. There shouldn't be anything different, just include the page name in the double brackets. See the playground where I made an example. Test page 1 and Test page 2 both link to test page 3.

Maybe I'm just slow today, but I don't get it. You're looking forward six months for the final enrollment figures, Kupchella's departure, or...? I thought Shawn-O's point was a good one -- while people are quick to point out that larger schools aren't necessarily better schools (true), and that benchmarking against NDSU is kind of silly (true), Kupchella did set specific targets for undergraduate enrollment that UND has failed to meet. The "we're happy with our current size" standard is clearly contradicted by UND's own strategic plan.

The biggest two differences are that the message board is organized chronologically and that you can't edit other people's posts. The message board is more of a place to have a conversation. The wiki is more of a place to collaboratively create more permanent documents. While siouxnami definitely has the right idea and has been making great examples, I'll focus on one of mine. The "Sioux recruits" page is a page that lists all of the committed recruits. When something changes, any of us can go modify the page to keep it current. That page is then a useful resource that anyone can go to at any time to see all the current Sioux recruits. It's much harder to extract that information from a recruits thread in a message board (which I would expect to still exist and remain an ongoing discussion of recruits).

Such attacks aren't likely individually targeted. Rather, the hackers discover a flaw in some piece of off-the-shelf software and then search for sites using that software and take them over en masse. Though flaws are usually patched immediately upon discovery, it's still worth it for script kiddies to search for people who haven't upgraded or applied the patch. Small sports sites are likely candidates because they're often put together by fans with limited technical expertise.

It's been common for UND to double up numbers when we run over 99, uncommon for both to play. But what the actual rule forbids is: 2007 Football Rules p.FR-30, Section 4 If caught, it's a five yard penalty.

We won't have to close the thread if you all can stop the UND vs. NDSU smack now. Some people may still want to talk about the Sioux football game vs Humboldt St., and I'd like to leave the thread open for that. Bison fans who want to discuss the game are welcome, but those who are just searching for things to smack about a team they don't like ought to go to one of the other boards where that's more appreciated.

Eventually. While we're not in a position to please everyone, I want to give some consideration to the constructive feedback some have given. We've come up with a couple straightforward tweaks that we hope will harden the logo a little, removing what some may be perceiving as softness (femininity?) Though the logo itself isn't changing, if we can make a couple tweaks that improves the first impression for 20% of viewers, we'd like to find those.

I am, but not closely. At this pace, an update every 2nd or 3rd score should be sufficient

Alright, alright, I was just idly speculating -- didn't mean to call for an official census of the "logo is feminine" crowd.

I'm pleased to discuss something other than the new site design. Very pleased. A feature of the software is that it can track payments for subscription-based forums. This site is free and doesn't have any premium subscription-only features, which is why no options are available there.

Ok. I guess I won't put you down for a hat It's actually explained reasonably well here. The short answer is that we went that route because we don't think it looks like a little girl. However, I'm certainly not saying you're wrong -- if you read the thread, a couple people have also noted that they perceive some feminine, or gender ambiguous, qualities. It still fascinates me that not a one of the dozens of people I've spoken with about it live have seen femininity in it; to the contrary, when pressed, most point out the strong chin and sharp features as certain proof its a man. I wonder if there's some age, regional, or other bias to it?

Ok, I've taken a much bigger stab at it. I basically rewrote the layout of that entire page to be identical to that of the other pages -- there's almost literally no trace of the original layout left. With the new changes, I can no longer reproduce the above described problem.

I should say a little something about this. Obviously the message board underwent huge cosmetic changes. While doing that, I managed to get the row for each forum down to 2/3 the previous height, making the forum front page much more compact, allowing me to add a couple more without pushing others further down the page. Though the topic of this thread, and what's most immediately visible to people, are the cosmetic changes, the biggest changes to the rest of the site are actually on the back end. The front page is running on a whole new set of code that's much more sport-agnostic, dramatically increasing the possibility of promoting the basketballs to the same level as football on SiouxSports.com sports in coming years.

Since I was able to duplicate it before, but now can repeatedly get it to work after a change that I thought might make it work, I wonder if you're still sitting on a cached version. Try holding down the shift key while hitting the reload/refresh button and see if you get the same result.