jimdahl

The AP version of this story just summarizes the Forum article. Guess we'll see what the Herald has to say in coming days. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/s...rts/4758515.htm

Your pointless rant refused to address the facts. I'm going to keep calling you this. Just because you write a response attacking UND and hockey doesn't mean you refuted my points. * You claim that supporting hockey causes UND and other NCC schools to neglect all other sports. * I refute it by pointing out how successful the NCC (even excluding NDSU) is in all sports excluding hockey. Your burden is not to prove that hockey is the biggest sport at some NCC schools (something no one disputes), but rather to prove that it somehow harms other sports. In three attempts, you've completely ignored that and just gone on anti-UND, anti-NCC, anti-hockey rants.

Right -- the thing to do is clearly to sit him immediately until this is resolved, so as not to compromise any future games. I always wonder how these things go undetected. I would think that on their way into college athletics, students would go through some compliance training/Q&A in which the school's compliance people learned any concerns. It sounds like this wasn't something he was hiding, but rather misinterpreted. Why didn't it come up earlier? Of course, my viewpoint depends very much on the facts and interpretation in the Forum story being 100% accurate.

I already answered this -- because Duluth is a great football school, an NCC sport. I could very well make some claim like "the NCC is really just a backdrop for wrestling because all the schools except two have wrestling". Sure you stated a fact, but it has nothing to do with your claim. It only proved the growing popularity of hockey. I've demonstrated that the NCC is a premiere conference in a wide variety of sports. You can't disprove it because it's a fact. We're all aware that you're jealous that UND has higher attendance from hockey alone than NDSU will have as a D-I school in all sports combined. However, you can't dispute that UND has also been competitive in football and basketball, among other sports. Your claim that hockey has caused UND to ignore those sports is ridiculous and easily disproven by look at Sioux-Bison results, or Sears Cup standings.

That Fire and Ice show from NFL Films was great. I miss Rocky -- I used to be able to summon hatred of NDSU when he was the man in charge, now NDSU football just summons pity. Here's the link the story about the CBS show about basketball: http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforkshe...rts/4742917.htm

The UND Alumni Association are really great people to deal with. I've had a few times over the years that I've talked to the MIS director about web sites, etc..., and they've always been very responsive and helpful. I don't find it at all surprising that they're the ones applying the pressure to fix the problem even though it's not their responsibility. Kudos to the alumni association!

I've searched for a minimum but been unable to find it. Unfortunately, not finding a reference proves nothing. Bemidji would really surprise me. Though they have a hockey team like most teams in the NCC, the NCC doesn't even sponsor hockey. The NCC is all about football and basketball. Bemidji is a horrible fit with the other NCC members in those sports. That's been my argument -- the difficulty is finding someone who we want AND who has a reason to want to move. However, the NCC is still arguably one of the top D-II conferences with UND, Mankato, UNO, USD, SCSU all being pretty competitive in a lot of sports (all were top 50 in the Sears Cup last year). UMD seems to continue that tradition with their recent football success. This is a bold prediction that just demonstrates that you haven't been paying attention. At UND, hockey is a profitable program. Our D-I hockey program provides a profit to the athletic department that makes it easier for UND to fund the non-revenue sports. I would actually guess that the effect of dramatic scholarship reductions would be to break the camel's back and forced UND to reconsider moving up. I guess time will tell which of us is right.

I know it was mentioned leading into the game, but just thought I'd point it out for those who missed it. Last season UND finished 16-19-2. So far this season they're 16-1-1.

This thread is about SCSU. SCSU doesn't even have one D1 national hockey championship. Regardless, I fail to see the relationship between SCSU's lack of athletic success and the problems with racism and anti-semitism that pervade their campus. Yes, we do see a certain irony in the institution that's the loudest critic of UND's nickname being continuously in the news and under Federal investigation for institutional racism. Don't feel leftout, I'm sure sometime soon SDSU will have some problem with racism on their campus and jump on the nickname-protesting distraction-from-their-own-problems bandwagon like NDSU.

Many of us don't actually get to go to the games, you know. We demand a picture of the wookie.

The AD's certainly know each other because we schedule them in hockey regularly. I was wondering about Morningside myself, but wasn't sure enough to speak up. No worries, though, the NCAA will take care of this problem for us by reducing the permitted scholarships in D-II so every conference can be as good as the NCC. Sigh.

Yeah, they must not have had Subway lined up as a sponsor yet when that was entered. Not coincidentally, that's the same language USCHO uses. Clearly "Subway Holiday Classic" is the newer, preferred term.

Pretty weak attempt at distraction, yourself, SDSU. But sadly for your point, Tony is not a UND fan. He, like JBB, is actually a friendly Bison fan (and even runs a nice web site devoted to it). Speaking of distractors, what's up with the dig at a community for having been hit by a flood? I hope your community is never ravaged by a natural disaster. Those are the sort of immature digs that destroy your credibility here and prove that your real motivation is just to put down UND.

Well, his stats were taken from hockeydb. To duplicate his format, you'd just need to look up the pid for each player that you want to track and create the links right into the hockeydb site (like the following, which leads to Eddie): http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdispla...ay.php3?pid=295 If you want to see ALL UND alums (not just those currently playing) you can go right to the UND alum page in hockeydb: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/alumni.php3?tid=582 (with stats inline) or http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/ttotdis...ay.php3?tid=582 (links to stats)

MN's favorite columnist, Virg Foss, reports: http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforkshe...rts/4729310.htm At first glance it is an interesting statistical anomoly. When you look at the conference standings UND has 36 GF and 30 GA, a surprisingly low differential for an 8-1-1 team (UMD also has 36 GF and 30 GA but is 5-4-3). However, a more thorough check reveals that only one school in the WCHA has better than a +6 goal differential, runaway leader Colorado College. Yes, you've figured out the punchline-- Minnesota has only a +6 goal differential with 34 GF and 28 GA. It's true, the season isn't over yet and Minnesota and ND have played vastly different portions of their conference schedules. However, it's still pretty funny to see MN fans crowing about goal differential.

After UMD it becomes a lot less obvious. Nebraska-Kearney is often mentioned because of their geographic fit, natural rivalry with UNO, and they already often schedule competitions against NCC teams. However, it's been speculated that the Lopers don't have the money or inclination to leave their current conference. There are some other appealing schools in the RMAC, but the same situations probably apply. That's going to be the toughest part -- finding a school that fits that also has a reason to want to move.

So the Sac Bee this morning reports: http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story...p-6549931c.html I also remember a previous article in which he articulated his family's excitement over the prospect of the move. Really makes it seem like his big concern was the instability of the institution (particularly not knowing if the new president would be supportive of the move to improve athletics). The Fargo Forum also had an article which indicated that Lennon said "the timing wasn't right" (hmmmm.... very interesting) and that he was concerned with the lack of previous success at Sac State (he didn't want to literally build a program from the ground up). Keep bringing home the titles and the opportunities will only improve, I say.

Apparently surprise is a relative term based on each individual's expectations of the future. I don't know anyone (outside of you, apparently) who honestly expected the Board of Regents to intervene in SDSU's decision. They took a firm position of saying that SDSU was solely responsible for any negative fallout from any negative impact of their decision, but allowed them to make their own decision. A wonderful decision that I never had any doubt they'd make -- let the school move up, but don't foot the bill if something goes wrong. You honestly thought they would forbid SDSU from moving up?

As expected, the SD Higher Ed Board of Regents has decided to allow SDSU to move if it can first secure a conference affiliation. The Regents President expressed skepticism about the proponents' arguments, but said he won't stand in the way of SDSU taking care of itself (but stressed that SDSU is responsible for self-funding the move via athletics revenues only): * The regents dictated that the schools will not get additional funding from student general activity fees or state taxes to support such a move * They cannot cut academic scholarships to fund athletic scholarships * Any deficit in the athletics budget must be dealt with by cutting athletic programs, scholarships or coaches' salaries No surprises in this step (most people thought there was very little chance of the Board of Regents rejecting SDSU's own decision, an extra hurdle that ND schools don't face). SDSU won't actually submit an application and move unless they first secure a conference affiliation (the biggest hurdle that NDSU bypassed). Nothing here to really tip UND's hand yet, as nothing's really changed. If SDSU finds a conference and then moves, it will be interesting to see if 3 teams leaving the NCC is enough to force a response from UND. http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeenne...ews/4724889.htm

At any level below NFL head coach, a highly successful coach will always have the opportunity to move up to the next level. I'm tremendously happy to have had a coach who brought home a national championship, conference championships in half his years coaching, and now has the opportunity to move up. I wish him well, whatever his ambitions! (I can understand how NDSU fans who are considering buying out their coach to make him leave have a bit more sour attitude, though).

This makes it sound like the deal is almost signed: http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story...p-6526339c.html

Odds are they were responding to the same events of the previous night that caused this thread to start. However, it's generally good advice to bear in mind when posting that this is a public forum that is visited not only by fans but by much of the UND community including athletic staff, other media, players' families, etc... For every person who posts there are nine who are just reading.

I've used my 3-year-old Sprint PCS phone to look at scores on Yahoo! Sports. I presume if you have an HDML or WML browser in your phone that you could do the same.

The vast majority of readers are passive participants. To vote in polls requires you to have a message board login, be logged in, and choose to participate in the short window that the message is active. 50 is about the number I would expect.