Chewey

For both days? How much?

Kelley also asked the committee to submit a list of three names some time this coming May for the public to vote on. "This is the bottom of the ninth," he said. "We're coming into the final stretch, and we're going to win this one. ... We've got the people around the table now to help us develop an exciting new nickname for the University of North Dakota." Obviously, this is from the "I can't think"/"we're a team" playbook. Good thing my anti-nausea tablets aren't far away. With bated breath, I'm feeling the excitement 600 miles away. "I still have a big question about this vote and how we're going to do this vote," UND professor and committee member John Bridewell said. "It's something we've got to talk about at some point." I can already sense the tingling worry regarding possible offensive nicknames.

Archie, Antoine American Horse and the many, many others on SR and SL will continue fighting this intrinsic moral wrong. It is unacceptable and irrational that the perennial, bitter petulance and racist beliefs held by a few can serve as a basis for policy decisions that both deprive a school and state of 80+ years of tradition and disrespect sacred native american customs. It is unacceptable that "civil rights" are invoked by some to expunge native american and their culture out the public sphere. Neither the mercurial temperament of the anti-nickname/PC radicals nor their ongoing whimsical and self-serving invocation of "civil rights" has any basis in logic or creative reason. To them, nothing is definitive except that which offends their evolved and refined sensibilities on any given day and, collectively, they represent the absence of creative, rational thought. Simply, they are the embodiment of a collection of reactionary politically correct drives motivated by faux outrage. While there is nothing at all wrong with liberals (many liberals, like my English prof brother, support the nickname and logo) what is objectionable is a certain cynical clique on the politically correct left who feel compelled to discharge into the river of discourse a certain effluent of self-appointed "offenses" that run counter to their genteel, politically correct sensibilities over which everyone else must gush "racism", "sexism" or the latest "ism" du jour.

He's quite a player. TRF, Roseau, Warroad, EGF -- lots of talent coming from there and nice that they're so close to GF/UND.

Congrats Sioux!

^^^^^^ This. The solution is not to legalize it either. The line in the sand, applicable to every school/team and which should be enforced rigidly and uniformly, should be "no drugs. Period."

We make the world in which we live either by our action or inaction/passivity. Leigh Jeanotte, et al certainly adjusted things by their action. The way to squelch the nonsense is not to just get tired of it and let the Leigh Jeanottes of the world have their way. One has to be just as vocal, just as passionate and just as persistent in one's opposition. As a matter of intellect, rational thought and common sense and truth, the antis had absolutely no basis except for what the "let's move on", "we're just tired", and "we're doing nothing" (insert Conrad, Dorgan, etc.) crowds gave them.

^^^^^^^^^^ Yes. Kelley has been a career academic and a politically correct acolyte his entire professional life and from this seed one expects leadership? Leadership, like starting and owning a business, involves taking calculated risks, being entirely transparent with your determinations and laying them on the line and accepting the consequences/results and adapting/making changes as a result of the consequences/results. Kelley is a whelp and a mere wreckage of a leader. He tried to take the middle ground by not overtly coming out against the nickname and by seeking cover from the SBoHE. Of course, everyone knew he was against the nickname and logo anyway, so he may as well have done so instead of trying to perpetuate the falsity that he really was only doing what he was told to do. In reality he was scheming all along against alumni, athletes and pretty much everyone and anyone in favor of keeping the nickname. Charles Kupcake showed a lot more leadership than Kelley. I personally would have liked to have seen him stand up in favor of the nickname and logo and against the NCAA like Kupcake did. An absolute wrong is an absolute wrong no matter how it is dressed up from various expedient perspectives many of which have been recited on this board. Gandhi did it. MLK did it. Nelson Mandela did it. St. Thomas More did it. John Lennon did it. Since he was a wet, Berkeley noodle and part of the PC episcopacy from day one no reasonable person could have truly expected that he would take any stand at all. It's hard to believe so many PC conformists like Kelley have come out of the Vietnam War protest era. Leadership involves taking an explicit stand on something. In my mind, Kelley, the AG, the SBoHE, etc. were not leaders at all and were collaborators more than anything else. At various times, they collaborated, if only unintentionally and indirectly (sometimes unintentionally and directly), on both sides.

That sign was mint. There should have been 20 more of them in there tonight. I wish I would have known which door they were taken to; I would have gotten their autographs.

Good job, Sioux! St. Clown is a good team and has had the Sioux's #.

And, he's 1/2 metis (Chippewa/French). Just yet another person with NA heritage who supports the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. He must not be well-informed and he must not have had any meetings with Leigh Jeanotte.

Must be that they think that any new name is going to be way cool.....

Stephane Pattyn for UND President..... http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/3688651-ice-time-get-know-und-hockey-player-stephane-pattyn

Mike LaMoine - 1985 GFRR, Lee Brodeur 1984 Grafton, Dean Hanson - 1984 GFC, Scott Dub Park River 1982 or 1983, Dean French Grafton, 1985. Jim Kropp, Jamestown 1985. Bliss Littler and Paul Zimmerman and Pete Zimmerman and Eric Nelson from Minot in the mid-1980's could have gone D-1 but I think they tried too hard following Jeff Bredahl, Minot 1981, getting on with the Sioux. I think Bredahl played a year of junior hockey before he got on the Sioux. They could have played for Michigan Tech or CC or some other colleges though. These guys were from when I played H.S. hockey in the early and mid-1980's and I'm sure there would be more but I can't think of them right now. I thought that GFRR had a guy that went directly from H.S. to Princeton a couple of years back. I forget his name but I remember that he was Mr. Hockey in like 2008 or something.

I can see the appeal but, yes, it does look like a Wild jersey. I think they could do better.

Horrible idea.

The frustrations of a losing season bubbling over. It's too bad but the program should develop along. The Big Sky's a lot different that the NCC/now NSIC. Recruiting. Recruiting. Recruiting.

In 2009, SL had a vote overwhelmingly approving the nickname and logo. In 2009 (even with Myra as Chair, I believe) and thereafter, the SL Tribal Council is in favor of the nickname and logo. In 2009, SBoHE directed the school to retire the name. On April 9, 2010, following the State Board of Higher Education’s decision to retire the UND nickname and logo, he announced he was beginning the process of retirement as the Chancellor had directed. Kelley and the administration at that time had all the cover they needed and wanted. Not really the sort of ringing endorsement to bring to SR. SBoHE and Kelley's administration were clearly complicit. Who stabbed whom in the back, again?

Support for the "Fighting Sioux" nickname and logo is not inconsistent with support for the teams/school. One does not rectify or oppose an intrinsic moral wrong through passive acceptance and by "moving on." In 1940, the French did that to save Paris. We do that today by not demanding convictions for the fraud perpetrated on the taxpayer through so-called derivative sales . A wrong is a wrong. Jeremiah 6:15 would be applicable to the NCAA, Kelley, etc. the Sioux and instant "process": "They have healed the brokenness of My people superficially, Saying, 'Peace, peace,' But there is no peace. "Were they ashamed because of the abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; They did not even know how to blush......"

The tribal majorities are still there, as they were with the SL vote a few years back. Burggraf isn't speaking for himself. Frank Black Cloud, Eunice Davidson, Antoine American Horse, Archie Fool Bear and many more would disagree with your assertion.

Well said, Frank! Very well said.

The imagery would have to change to Roman this and Roman that. On the good side, only white Europeans, Christians and Jewish people were largely persecuted by the Romans so we'd be in good standing with the right sect of perennial crybabies.........

Probably not a bad choice for those who want a nickname. I can't remember where the name originally came from. PCM, maybe?

Nice of you to personify the lack of creativity, especially with the obligatory classism reference.

Whom or what you trust is irrelevant. Where I frequent on the website is likewise irrelevant. With several years at UND and various 400 mile trips up there from South Central Minnesota for FB and hockey games, my "UND cred" is just fine but way to invoke a tangent. Changing the discourse to pursue a tangent and to hold yourself up as someone to whom some burden of proof must be satisfied reveals much. There is no prohibition against not having a nickname in the agreement. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant. Absolutizing what is not absolute but is relative (at the very least), through obfuscating rhetoric about marketing or outright scare tactics, does not constitute "allegiance" to anything. That's just aggressive rationalizing. One would at least hope that more creativity would be employed. You were talking one trick ponies weren't you? This strategy is certainly a paradigm of that.