Teeder11
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Yeah, it all kind of reminds me of the long-lost friend who wants to borrow $20 from you again, and promises to pay you back the next time he sees you. Again,
Personally, I think it's disengenuous to suddenly wrap ourselves in the Kumbaya stuff when the vast majority of people in North Dakota don't really care what happens in Indian Country. If the Sioux moniker wasn't an issue, and SL was pushing for ownership of say ... most of the Bakken based on some ancient, newly-found treaty, I doubt the moniker advocates would be so "friendly" to them. And it also begs the question of where our "friends" were in 2005 onward when the fight really mattered.
It's just nice to see that kind of knee-jerk knuckle-dragging rhetoric go away. Whether the cause is disingenous or not is up for debate.
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It is about the people, not the color of the jersey or a name.
I agree with you but it is also about the people who gave the nickname and who have mistreated and ignored and, now conveniently, blamed (Where were they?, etc.).
I was thinking about this very thing the other day, but I drew a different conclusion. From my perspective, I feel the only remotely positive development that has come from the Spirit Lake tibe leading the fight for the "repeal of the repeal," the constitutional amendment and the suit against the NCAA is that much of the anonymous nastiness that used to be spewed forth unfairly toward American Indians as a whole by many on the fervent pro-nickname side has been supplanted by a more general courteous tone toward Indian people, who have always been caught in the middle of this controversy. The ignorant statements like "go back to the reservation," and "I'm never going to go to an Indian casino again" and "why don't you pay for your education" and "don't you have bigger problems to deal with than a school nickname" and "if you hate UND so much why don't you just pack up and go somewhere else," have been seen much less frequently since the Spirit Lake Committee for Understanding and Respect got going in earnest.
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The PC Nazis don't assign any weight to it which is ironic in light of their PC attributes but I would not classify too many people here as PC Nazis. Most detest the NCAA at least as much as I do. Just differing positions concerning the purpose and efficacy of the petitions.
Nicely put, Chewey!
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My point is that a little more due care employed would have gone a long way. Kelley and Johnson were a bit rash and lacking in foresight in bowling headlong into this "scrubbing" foray 2 seconds after the repeal law was passed.
They didn't do it because they had a hard on to get rid of the name, they did it because they kept getting calls, letters and e-mails from their bosses in Bismarck, concerned and influential alums and watchdogs elsewhere who kept finding references to the nickname and logo in hidden crevasses on the website. The verbage "hunt down" and "scrub" wasn't the best choice of words in the PC sense, and it sure made for a nice sound byte for the save-the-name-at-all-costs crowd to rile up the masses, but it had nothing to do with anyone's feelings toward the nickname. Besides, since when did that crowd turn into the thought police, regulating the words people choose to use? Hypocrite much?
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http://www.valleynew...have-signatures
Seems we may be live witnesses to what UND will do.
I'm guessing this will be a more thorough than usual "thorough process".
Thanks, Sic! That is enlightening. Disheartening, but enlightening.
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Well...in order to put a hold on the hold I guess it's time to start the petition to repeal the repeal of the repeal!
What a mess!? LOL! Now I am hearing that UND probably won't even wait until any kind of a certification or verification of signatures, as once the petitions are filed, the repeal is repealed and were back in NCAA violation until the June vote decides it. It would seem rediculous to not verify the signatures first, but that's the way some are reading the law. I will beleive it when I see it. Who really knows? Guess we all will tomorrow!
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"University lawyers", you mean like the esteemed Julie "I've never practiced law a day in my life, but I'm a general counsel" Evans? She's probably more interested in covering her ass than actually representing a client aggressively. Situations like this call for unbiased legal representation, not half-baked, spineless reasoning by people drawing their paychecks from the state. UND's hired outside firms before, ala the NC$$ litigation, so I don't see why they don't follow the same tack now.
I agree.
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So the UND women's hockey team is now in a position to be the first to feel the wrath of NCAA sanctions if the petitions are successful.
Good point.
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And, watching Watchmaker49 attempt to construct a cogent thought process here is like watching a video of Harry Harlow's rhesus monkey experiments in first-year psychology. Now there's an image both entirely pertinent and unique given the subject matter.
Really, you know, you two oughta get a room. There is this cute little function on here called "PM," or Private Messaging. I respectfully suggest that you guys use it. No matter how much you guys think we want to navigate through your ridiculous personal attacks on each other and your snarky rejoinders, we really don't give a spit about what either of you think about each other, we don't care about how adept you are at using the English language to slap the other down, and we sure as hell don't care for attempts to expose who the other is (Yeah, that means you watchmaker49!). You may think we are hanging onto every verbal volley between you two, and you may think we appreciate the masterful Dickensian grip you guys think you have on the English language and the high falutin $100 words you use as much as you guys love reading your own literary genius. But fact is, most of us are here just to have healthy and spirited debates about UND issues, and most of all, UND ATHLETICS, not to get sucked into your personal pissing contest. Now I could hit "ignore," but then I would miss the many well-reasoned opinions that you guys bring to the table, all of which I do believe contribute to the healthy debates that I mentioned earlier.
End rant.
Now how 'bout that women's hockey team, up to fourth in the Pairwise. Way to sweep Bemidji this weekend, Ladies!!!
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What!!, you're not Fred??
Of course, I am. (;
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The tradition of the Fighting Sioux hockey program is nothing short of amazing. I have come to understand that through my time at UND as a young man and as I have moved to several different parts of the country through my adult life. I have been in Colorado for the past 12 years and between DU, CC, NCAA regionals and a frozen four here I get it.
To say that our Sioux name is not a very large part of our identity is simply not accepting the reality of what Fighting Sioux Hockey is.
Tell ya what, you-any of you let the name thing go crowd- find me one athelete who in the middle of a successfull proffesional career cites how honored he/she was to be a part of the Bison program the way you CONSTANTLY here it from Fighting Sioux players, then I will accept that I have the wrong idea about the significance of the Sioux name. ..For that matter, how about any hockey player from any other WCHA program.
The Sioux hockey alumni consider themselves a family and their name, Fighting Sioux, is a significant part of that, as it is to me a fan. You can argue until you are blue in the face that this is not true but doing so will not make it so.
Phil Hansen.
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I'm a little surprised that they would do this. It seems an expensive, and potentially dangerous position for the University to take (relating to conferance affiliation, NCAA relationship, etc) when the petitions aren't forcing the U to use the nickname, they are just putting the referendum on the ballot. After all of the expense to move away from using the nickname, to practically volunteering to go back when it's not required seems a bit surprising to me.
One explanation that makes some sense, then, is that University officials really didn't want to get away from using the nickname in the first place. That's a bit surprising, but possible.
OR, perhaps they want to start using the nickname so that voters, pre-referendum, might get to feel some of the wounds of continuing to use the nickname in a "hostile" environment. As I type this is sounding more plausible. Let the supporters see some of the consequences before they vote to make this permanent.
No, dagies, it's even simpler than any of that -- it's the law. They have to. University lawyers interpret the law to say that once the petitions are filed and certified, "the repeal" is on hold, thus, the law on the books before the repeal would go into effect until the June vote decides the matter. Dumb, I know, but that's how they're interpreting the law.
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teeder11 are you being paid by the University ? To be their PR front man - especially online ?
Well, in a way, yes.... but I would do it for free any day. I love the University and have devoted most of my life to it.
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Thus UND Admin. was unsuccessful in eliminating (destroying) the name until the Spirit Lake Lawsuit is over
Still hope & awareness & if everyone would support Spirit Lake maybe their chances are better
I think this is why they (SL) are having the petition drive
Maybe it's time to really find out if changing the name to Spirit Lake Sioux would be acceptable (Legal) a positive instead of all the negative ? ? ?
It was never their intention to destroy anything, only to strengthen the University. Now the NCAA, mind you, has every intention of destroying the nickname. If you want to assign blame, make sure you pin it on the right organization.
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I'm told that UND is preparing to immediately revert back to the Fighting Sioux nickname once the Secretary of State certifies that there are enough signatures. They aren't planning any shenanigans to remain nicknameless, despite a successful petition drive. UND officials have told me that once the petitions are filed and they are certified, they will abide by the letter of the law and go back to the pre-repeal law that was pass last spring in the legislature. If the primary vote in June fails then the name would be discontinued again, and then the waiting game starts again for the constitutional measure in the fall. What a yo-yo of events this could turn out to be.
All that said, the info above comes from UND officials. The SBHE may have other commands for UND, and history has shown that the UND admin will fall lock step in line with what their bosses on the board tell them to do.
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UND had a 1st day spring enrollment of about 13,500. As of Jan. 27, it had grown to about 13,800. The all-time spring enrollment record was set last year at 13,458, so UND has already eclipsed the record this year and it's still growing. The final UND spring number for this year should be realsed next week. I have no idea on NDSU. They have been pretty mum on those figures in recent years.
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They are a first year team. NJCAA just like Bottineau if I'm not mistaken.
I didn't check out the roster, but maybe they're getting players from southern Manitoba and Saskatchewan (Brandon, Boissevain, Estevan, etc.). Or maybe there are some kids coming down to play from the Alberta oil sands region, if their parents get jobs in the Williston Basin? Interesting nontheless.
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Who knew? Williston State has a hockey team, and they knocked off THE Arizona Wildcats.
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I have mixed opinions. Home opener is always a large draw, regardless of opponent. I think what will hurt more is that it is a Thursday game, so the out-of-town crowd will be light.
Hopefully the students will show because it's on a Thursday night, instead of going home to mama and papa on the weekend-- at least they might stay for the first half.
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Buddy? Thanks and bring it.
^^What an arrogant punk. Typical.
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Please explain.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I would say "different" as opposed to "better," given the different time lines for D-1 entry and transition and the conference affiliations. I try to be as objective as possible, though, I admit, I tend to be a little more lenient or sympathetic to shortfalls and optimistic or hopeful for the team's future than fans from other fan bases would be -- but delusional -- I don't think so. If you are too objective and realistic about your team, it makes being a "fan" no fun. In fact, one is probably not a "fan"atic at all, in the truest sense of the definition.
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So huge!!! I looked at the recruiting tapes on Tuilagi that were posted and at some of the warm weather schools that we were competing with and I thought -- no effn' way. Wow! I may have to become a regular at Spring ball and the Green and White game this spring. That's how excited I am.
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That is so freakn' awesome! What a charmer she is. Her dad looks like he could still lace 'em up for UND.
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As far as I can gather, this reality show, ala "Ice Road Truckers," is still in the pilot stage, shopping for a network to show it. Whether it makes it to prime time or not, it's an interesting look at life in Williston these days.
What happens if the first petition gains enough signatures?
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It's too bad things have devovled to this state. There's a lot of blame to go around on all sides, but blame gets us nowhere near the road to healing.