82SiouxGuy

That's because Bville doesn't consider forging signatures, voter fraud or interfering with elections serious crimes. Bville only considers crimes involving sex or violence as serious. At Bville, nothing is as serious as winning football games. Teaching students life lessons and building better citizens doesn't seem to be as important as wins over FBS teams. At Bville, you aren't allowed to talk badly about NDSU football players. Bville is completely paranoid and believes that the whole world is out to get NDSU athletics. That's why this discussion wouldn't be on the main board at Bville. Thanks for playing.

It will be brought up by the media on more than 1 occasion throughout the season. The election coming up will be a chance for people to discuss it because of the 2 measures that will not be on the ballot. It will be discussed heavily during the legislative session as they discuss 1) increasing the penalty for this particular crime to a felony and 2) when the legislature tries to take over more control of higher education again this time. Any other crimes committed by NDSU football players, or possibly other NDSU athletes, will bring up this case. If they decide to move against the companies that hired the players, the case will be discussed. This thing isn't even close to over for NDSU, it was just on a short break until the next chapter.

You keep telling yourself that. It wasn't being talked about because everyone knew the court hearing was today. But if something isn't done, it will continue to be brought up throughout the rest of the year. The drones at Bville won't talk about it, because they have already tried to prevent all mention of the incident. But a lot of other people will continue to discuss it until at least the end of the year, and possibly until the next NDSU football player incident.

The NCAA would have a major issue if he did it pro bono, because that would definitely be something provided to an athlete that wouldn't be provided to an average student. That is, unless Bruce has a history of doing pro bono work for NDSU students. The nickname issues are dealt with as far as the NCAA is concerned, they are ready to move on to other issues.

Mussman was on the radio this morning and mentioned Hanson. He said that Braden is slowly improving, but he was still limping and had some pain while jogging last week. The week before it hurt to plant. Mussman is hoping that things have improved more this week.

Sorry, the 10 NDSU players committing voter fraud is a totally separate issue from anything that happens at UND. If you want to discuss what happened with the UND hockey players, there is a separate thread in the Hockey forum for that. This thread is about NDSU football players committing a class A misdemeanor, and how that issue is playing out. If UND athletes committed a similar crime and weren't punished, maybe you could compare the situations. These 2 aren't really comparable and you are just trying to deflect the discussion. Nice effort, but it isn't going to eliminate the headlines or the discussion about NDSU football players.

The people of North Dakota, including a large number of NDSU fans, were upset because it appeared that these 10 players were given preferential treatment. Bohl had suspended players for lesser offenses. Then Taylor makes his preposterous statement that they had suffered enough and that the charges weren't that serious so none of the players would be suspended over this issue. If NDSU had done something immediately it would have prevented probably 90% of the PR headache that NDSU has had over this issue. And you really seem to have a fixation on the UND hockey team. Are you really a closeted UND hockey fan?

You really are witty this morning, drinking already for homecoming? And what does any of this have to do with 10 NDSU football players committing voter fraud? Nothing. All 10 players plead guilty this morning and will serve out the sentence that was given to them, just as they should. Now it is up to the school and the football team to do their duty in penalizing the players, 2 separate processes as outlined by your school president.

Which game would be preferable to enforce the suspensions? Should they hold off and enforce the suspensions during the middle of the season just to make you feel better? Why doesn't it make sense to enforce the suspensions for the next regular season game, no matter who it is? If NDSU had done something similar with the football players this story would not have been nearly as large.

Got some anger issues to deal with there CAS? As far as I can tell, no one has been charged with hazing or forcing anyone to over-consume alcohol in relation to the hockey team or the party. But there were 10 NDSU football players that were charged with voter fraud, and they plead guilty. That seems to be the subject of the day since the court hearing was today. But, nice efforts to deflect the topic away from the criminal element on the NDSU football team. Or are they just lazy and stupid rather than real criminals?

You may have missed it, the players all plead guilty. They were given unsupervised probation, a fine, and community service. Rumor is that Bohl will address the issue this afternoon.

I would be shocked if the attorney is not being paid, the only way the NCAA would allow that would be a public defender. I would assume that the NCAA would allow family, or maybe a long time family friend to help with attorney fees, but the NCAA would frown on having some booster paying the attorney fees.

This is the sample language for petitions (the format isn't quite accurate). It states that the person circulating the petition witnessed the signature, that they believe the people signing were qualified electors, and that it is a genuine signature. I'm not sure why Bohl or anyone else would bring up whether the company told the players that they couldn't just write down names. It is on the form that the signatures collected have to be genuine signatures.

Or they realize that this game starts with the Manitoba exhibition, and Kristo isn't suspended until the games in Alaska.

The defense wouldn't have given up 35 points if the offense hadn't lost 4 turnovers. Lots of mistakes on all sides of the ball, this loss doesn't belong to the defense alone.

You're the one that brought this thread back, to try and brag about how wonderful your favorite football team is. Your shallowness, your term, brought you to an old rivals fan forum to try and rub it in in some way, although I'm not sure what you're trying to rub in. I'm also not sure how shallow you have to be to feel better about yourself by doing this. But thank you for reminding all of us about the 10 football players from NDSU that are facing their first day in court on Tuesday. I'm sure that we will hear a lot more about these criminals next week. And I wouldn't bet the farm that the charges won't stick. I don't think the Attorney General and the Secretary of State would have gotten involved if they didn't plan to actually prosecute. Remember, stupidity is no excuse for breaking the law, not even mass stupidity.

We will see what goes away. But there is a pretty good chance that none of the 10 football players will walk away without some penalties. And they may have eliminated a chance of working in some industries. I would hardly classify class A misdemeanors, voter fraud and forging signatures as "boys being boys". That same act could be reclassified as a felony during the next legislative session. Hazing of any kind also isn't "boys being boys". And most of this board agreed that whatever happened with the hockey team was wrong and stupid. Too bad that so many of your Bville pals don't respect the law. I guess that's a perfect fit for the attitudes of the football team and the athletic department, "if it doesn't involve sex or violence then it isn't serious".

So far there hasn't been a single case of a UND athlete being charged with a class A misdemeanor for voter fraud, much less 10 cases at one time. I'm certainly not jealous about that. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one thing I am jealous about right now, and certainly nothing to do with NDSU. But of course, I don't base my entire self worth on the success of a college football team, or any sports team. College is supposed to be about preparing students for adulthood. But you go ahead and keep preaching how great your criminal laced football team is.

I can't imagine how proud you must be to have so many criminals playing for your favorite team. 10 football players that will be in court on Tuesday to face class A misdemeanor criminal charges for voter fraud because they forged hundreds, if not thousands, of signatures on petitions. 10 football players that were either too lazy or too stupid to do a job, so they basically stole money from their employer. 10 players that cost their employer hundreds of thousands of dollars. 10 players that wasted thousands of hours of other people's time. I can see why you and the multitude of NDSU football fans would be proud of them, especially since winning football games is the most important thing in your life. And that isn't even mentioning the other "fine, upstanding citizens" that populate the NDSU football program. What a great standard you have set for the young people that represent NDSU to the nation.

Considering Southern Utah is in the same conference, it isn't irrelevant. Why would UND copy a conference opponent?

I don't know if I've ever forgotten my wallet, but I can understand that. The car registration should be kept in the car. Why would you ever keep it any place else?

After you got pulled over once without license and registration, wouldn't you think it was a good idea to make sure you had them with you?

mksioux is correct. All schools had the same appeal process, including UND. FSU kind of pioneered the process because the Seminole tribe immediately came out with complete approval of FSU using the name. So that was what prompted the NCAA to have the appeal process. All tribes that had a single tribe give approval for use of their name won their appeal. But the tribes had to affirm that approval during the appeals. Spirit Lake had given conditional approval in 2000. However, they refused to reaffirm that approval during the appeal process. As a matter of fact, there was an active movement on Spirit Lake to remove that approval because people didn't believe UND lived up to the conditions that had been put on the original approval. Standing Rock actively campaigned against the name. So UND had zero tribes giving approval when the NCAA wanted it. That is why UND didn't win either of their appeals, in spite of the way that UND used the name. If Spirit Lake had confirmed their approval there is a pretty good chance that UND would still be the Fighting Sioux. It didn't happen. FSU may have gotten special treatment by the NCAA, but the NCAA then gave that same treatment to other schools that met the conditions. That's why there are I believe 6 schools in the NCAA that have approval to use Native American names and imagery. FSU is just the most visible.

I'm not trying to defend the NCAA. I said go ahead and blame them. Do whatever you want as long as you don't break the law. Just trying to give an explanation for the process so that people have a better understanding. Blind anger doesn't help people get through the process. Understanding what happened and what might be happening can sometimes help. At this point my concern is more with getting people focused on the future of UND athletics rather than the past and the anger that comes with being forced to change. I believe that the exception rule was put in place to provide a buffer time period. You had some bigger schools with Native American names that had good tribal support like FSU and Utah. They would have put up a huge fight to keep their name and also had solid support from the tribes so it would have been hard for the NCAA to sell the ban to the public and to the government. That might have been enough to get the Federal government involved, which the NCAA doesn't want. This way they are proving that the ban works in schools that change the name, they are dividing and conquering in pieces rather than fighting 1 huge battle and they are conditioning the public to the removal of the names. For them, breaking this process into 2 or 3 pieces was an easier war to win than 1 huge battle on many fronts. Your way would have been faster if it had stuck, and schools like UND would have less to complain about. But my guess is that the NCAA felt the overall war would be easier to win if spread over time.

Forbert was not around when the RA called 911 or when the police officer arrived. The freshies were alone in their rooms where they had been left. Forbert and some other players showed up in the hallway to see what was going on.