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Which is why I sad that Hanson will probably play when he doesn't have pain while jogging or running.

It shows that it is a more serious crime than NDSU seems to think.

So now you are telling us that Bohl wasn't sincere, that it was all just a show. He didn't actually mean that statement. Which means he probably didn't mean any of his statements that evening. The entire press conference was just to quiet the critics. Bohl really isn't concerned with making better adults of his players. He is only about winning. Which is exactly what has been said on this board for years. Thanks for confirming for us. Sorry, but I expect athletic coaches in college to be about more than winning. The statement he made is exactly what I expect out of college coaches. If I were an alumnus of NDSU I would be embarrassed by the conduct of the players and by the poor way it was handled by the coach, the athletic director, and to a lesser extent by the president. If you want to make a comparison to the hockey team party, as a UND alumnus I am embarrassed by that whole situation. I like that the coach and the athletic director took a quick stance, and I hope they did enough to teach the team some lessons. But I still feel that something more probably should have been done before the party when 2 players had been arrested for minors just a couple of weeks earlier. College athletics is still about college, the whole win at all costs attitude does not belong in college athletics.

He missed several long passes last week. Hanson is a better passer, Hendrickson is more mobile.

Earlier this week on the radio Mussman said that Hanson still had pain and was limping when he jogged as of last week. Mussman was hoping that he would improve more by this week. My guess is that once he gets past the point of having pain while jogging or running, Hanson will play at least part of the game.

I think that everyone can dress. It seems like the bench gets pretty crowded for these games.

There should be some kind of understandable hierarchy of punishment based on the seriousness of the crime. Speeding tickets and such are much lower level crimes than a class A misdemeanor. That seems to be the part that you and most NDSU football fans do not get. You should be able to predict that if you commit some kind of offense at such a level, or higher, that you have a predictable punishment. Something just short of a felony, that probably deserves at least a 1 game suspension.

You are diminishing this. Basing your definition of the seriousness on the plea agreement for a first time offense when they cooperated with the legal system is not giving it full consideration. Many first offenders get off with a light sentence. It seems to be news all over the country, so it isn't just in North Dakota. No, it hasn't reached the level of Miami, but there are a pretty significant number of players on the team that have spent time in court. And according to your president, it is up to the coach to provide a punishment beyond the legal system. According to his definition, the players would be punished by the legal system, the Dean of Students according to the Code of Conduct, and the football team or athletic department. The punishments are separate, and should not be based on the other punishments given. I'm pretty sure that the athletic department has some rules about breaking laws, that is what the punishments should be based on. Not whether they got a fine or some other punishment from the legal system.

If you listened to the press conference earlier this week, even Bohl says you are wrong. He said "the number 1 goal is to educate them. Are they going to be a better person when they leave here?" I'm pretty sure those were his exact words about 13 1/2 or 14 minutes into the press conference. Yes, his job is to win football games. But this isn't the NFL. Winning isn't the only thing for college coaches or teams. It isn't even the only thing for NFL teams, coaches have lost their jobs when their players have been out of control. They have to win games for him to keep his job, but education of the players is supposed to be the number 1 goal for everyone on campus. Only at places like NDSU do large groups of people believe that winning is the only thing that matters. I doubt that any team has a specific rule against committing voter fraud. But they should have rules against breaking the law and embarrassing the school. The players obviously broke those team rules.

The 4 underclassmen that the police dealt with in the dorm were all being charged with minors. The team did not announce what their punishment would be at UND. The captains and several others were suspended for a game because of the situation, but were not charged with anything by the State's Attorney. In addition, the entire team will be taking alcohol awareness classes, doing community service and are on a form of school probation.

This isn't a nothing infraction to the legal system. This was a class A misdemeanor. The potential penalties include up to a year in jail and a $2,000(?) fine. First offenders rarely get anything close to the max penalty. No one expected them to actually get the max. The prosecution worked out a plea deal. One of the many reasons to work out a plea deal is to save the courts time and money. The fact that 11 people agreed to the plea probably helped keep the penalties low, they saved 11 trials. The judge seemed to think that the penalties were a little light, but he allowed them. But it would be wrong to assess the importance or severity of a crime by the sentence the person actually receives because other things go into that sentence. The state is already working on increasing the crime to a class C felony during the next legislative session. The current law has been on the books for a while. North Dakota hasn't seen a large number of cases, so looking at the penalties for the crime probably hasn't been a priority. But after this incident the Attorney General and the Secretary of State realize that the penalty doesn't currently fit the crime. There is a good chance that it will get changed next session, in large part thanks to NDSU. NDSU is in the business of education. People expected NDSU to teach the players a lesson, and set an example with this situation. It doesn't appear like they did a good job of either. NDSU now has a public policy of punishing people for some alcohol violations, for anything having to do with sex or nudity, and for violent crimes. But the example they set in this case is that the election laws of North Dakota are not as important as alcohol, sex or violent crimes. That is a poor example to set.

It only seems right that NDSU fans take after the athletes they worship. It appears that he has achieved his dreams of being just like an NDSU football player.

The players plead GUILTY. The judge didn't side with them or with NDSU. As a matter of fact, NDSU wasn't a part of the criminal proceedings in any way. Maybe you didn't understand that part. The judge gave them a penalty that was in line with a first offense for that type of crime. And they did take away the opportunity (or right) to vote on the 2 issues during this election. They did that by contaminating enough petitions so that the measures could not be put on the ballots. Your understanding of elections and legal matters is very poor, you really should take a class. Maybe I could suggest an online course from UND so that you might actually learn something useful.

Now you're trying to tell me what I've seen? You're super powers are amazing.

Why don't I ever get invited to the Council meetings?

Has he added any useful information, analysis, insight, or content in any post,... ever?

We're not reading the same threads. The biggest concerns I've seen are over which media outlet is trying hardest to screw over NDSU, because everyone seems to be out to get NDSU according to Bville. I've seen little or no concern about the actual effects of the crime.

You are certainly impressing us with your comments and retorts. Were you an NDSU football player?

Do you read the posts at Bville? There have been a few posters that have said the players were wrong, that they should be punished, and that NDSU handled things poorly. The rest have wanted to sweep the whole thing under the rug and move on with the season, because there is another championship to win and nothing should get in the way of buttfootball at NDSU.

At last you make sense. We all know that you envy UND. You don't have to keep coming over here to let us know that.

A fixation would probably include posting on the rivals bulletin board and trying to change the conversation because you didn't like what was being said about your school. Wait,.... what were you doing here again?

And the numbers would have stayed close to where they were if the students had come all the way through the process. It just shows that students are an important part of the games.

How long were the threads about the Fighting Sioux nickname at the top of the list on Bville? One thread had 7,365 posts. How many posters were actively posting that they wanted whatever would damage UND the most? And count the number of UND threads on Bville over the past year or 2. Don't try and sell us that Bville doesn't talk about UND, doesn't try to make fun of UND constantly, isn't fixated on UND. I would guess that there are more posts on Bville talking about UND than there are about NDSU on this site, and probably by a large margin. And the only concern that most Bvillers have shown about this issue is whether the players would have to miss games, because that's what really matters to most NDSU fans. You know, buttfootball. There has been very little concern about the election process or North Dakota voters or even teaching students lessons.

I didn't hear an apology either. He admitted that it wasn't professional because he spoke from personal emotion, but he didn't apologize to anyone in that press conference.

It may or may not be brought up in large numbers (I'm not quite sure how you define this), but you can be sure that it will be brought up by multiple committees in Bismarck next spring, and it will be brought up in at least some of the other ways I listed. You and other NDSU faithful are really fooling yourselves if you believe that this is just going to go away. There is a reason that the media has gotten so much mileage out of the issue, because a lot of non-NDSU football fans are not happy about this situation.