82SiouxGuy
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I predict more trolls posting on this forum.
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Actually, they can. They do it all the time. The Altru donation is coming over time, not all in one lump sum.
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This is the solution that makes the most sense to me. Rewards the top teams. Increases attendance. The super regionals can be more regional, so people might have a better chance to attend. Could implement without making major changes to the schedule. Could also consider having the Frozen Four on Saturday and Monday like basketball. It would allow a couple of extra days for travel, and people would still only need to take a couple of days off.
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I would think that UND had a pretty good chance to make it to another Frozen Four if the goaltending held up (since goaltending was a question mark before the season). I would remember that Yale beat UND in the tournament not that many years ago. But I would also know that nothing is guaranteed, and that the other 3 teams must have had a pretty good year to make it to the Frozen Four. I rarely go into a game positive that UND is going to win.
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Unless I missed something, CC's last title was in 1957. I don't think they've won since they opened their new rink. BC opened their rink in 1988, and didn't win a title until 2001. Minnesota opened the new Mariucci in 1993 and didn't win a title until 2002. It doesn't look like opening a new arena guarantees winning a national title any time soon.
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If you want to cherry pick time periods, how about 1973-1990 when Wisconsin won 5 (or 4 in 11 years from 1973-1983 or 6 in 24 years from 1973-2006). Wisconsin should be on the list. They have won more than Minnesota and more recently than Michigan, Minnesota or North Dakota.
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I started following UND hockey in the early 1970s, listening to games on the radio. They played in 3 national title games during the 4 years I was in school at UND, winning 2 out of the 3. I've watched them go up and down more than once, and watched them win 5 national titles. It all goes in cycles. And whether you believe it or not, there are more talented hockey players in college hockey right now than there ever have been in the past. American players don't just come from a few states along the Canadian border any more. There are college hockey players from California, Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Georgia, North Carolina and a lot of other states that didn't have hockey 10 or 15 years ago. That is a big reason for the increased parity in college hockey.
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And I never believed that Woog was a bad coach because he didn't win a national title. The weak seasons at the end of his run were more of a factor in him being replaced than the run of not winning titles in my mind. I never thought that UND was significantly better than either Michigan or Minnesota as a program, other than the fact that UND was my favorite. I knew that it was probably going to be a close game when UND played either one. All 3 schools normally had a lot of talented players. Which one was better depended on the season, and usually didn't matter a whole lot when the teams met on the ice.
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Yes they are. Probably the best in this century.
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The final 4 probably isn't as strong as a lot of years. But the entire field of the tournament was probably closer than ever before.
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Is Ohio State a rich athletic department? Yes, they are.
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So the fact that Michigan made the national tournament 22 years in a row before missing out this year doesn't help make them a power in college hockey?
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I'm pretty sure that beating the number 2 team overall helped their ranking quite a bit. So did all of the other games they won. They were at 5 or 6 in the Pairwise before the final weekend of conference tournaments, too.
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So, according to your definition, neither UND nor Michigan nor Minnesota are great hockey programs. Minnesota won their last title a decade ago, and the others are longer ago.
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And just because you don't know anything about those teams doesn't mean that they are bad teams. Quinnipiac was number 1 and Lowell was number 3 in the Pairwise at the end of the season. St. Cloud won the WCHA. There were a lot of quality teams this year, and no super teams this year.
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Fri, Dec 27 Boston University Grand Forks, N.D. 6 - 4 (W) Sat, Dec 28 Boston University Grand Forks, N.D. 2 - 2 (T)
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I'm not sure what weak path you're talking about this year. As of right now Yale is at #5 in the Pairwise and UND is at #11. They were close together in the Pairwise most of the end of the season. Before the conference tournament weekend it looked like both UND and Yale were going to end up as #2 seeds. Yale is a better team than you are willing to admit. There was a bigger group than normal this year that were all close in ability, Yale and UND were both in that group. The top 12 or so in the current Pairwise could have all potentially won the tournament this year, which is part of the reason that the Frozen Four is basically new.
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Funny, my standards haven't changed. And I doubt that the standards have changed for most people, they just aren't the same as your inflated "standards". I've been a fan for multiple decades. I don't "expect" national championships. I believe that only fools "expect" championships. I don't understand how you "expect" to live up to a "standard" where even the best program fails 90% of the time. UND has had hockey for approximately 75 years and won 7 national titles. They have won national titles less than 10% of the years they have played. Winning championships is not the "standard". There are too many factors that can interfere with winning a championship. I expect the program to be one of the best hockey programs in college hockey on a regular basis. I expect the teams to make the national tournament almost every year, I even expect them to go to the Frozen Four on a regular basis. I expect the team to compete for conference titles almost every year. I believe that if the teams are competing on these levels, then they will probably win national championships again in the future. They will probably win multiple titles in a short period of time. But I don't base any of my own self-worth on the outcome of college hockey games. So I am not going to get outraged if they don't win championships. I am going to enjoy watching them win a lot of games and enjoy their success. I will also be disappointed when they lose. But then I will move on to deal with important things in life rather than be obsessed with whether a college hockey team wins a national title. Nope, my standards haven't changed in more than 40 years.
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He got it done one time. He also failed to make the tournament 5 out of the last 9 years. That isn't exactly a rousing success. I don't use national titles won as my only factor when looking at success. It is the ultimate goal for the team. But it is only one of several things I look at when determining whether a college hockey team is successful. Hakstol has done just about everything else needed to be considered successful.
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I'm not going back to find it, but this topic came up in a thread a few weeks ago. I went back and looked. There were more Boston College players in the NHL each of the last several years than UND. There were several other schools that had more players, or about the same number of players, in the NHL. I believe that Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin were on that list that often had more players in the NHL than UND. Denver, Boston University, Michigan State and Colorado College also ranked right up there. UND has a great reputation that is well deserved. But UND is not the only school that sends a lot of players to the pros. This image that some UND fans have, that UND has a huge talent advantage over all the other schools, is false. Some years it might be true. But overall, UND is in a group with several other schools that all send a lot of players to the NHL.
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Is it possible that you are over rating the talent of the UND players, or under rating the talent of opposing schools? For instance, Boston College has more players in the NHL than UND, and have had more draft picks on their team most years, so it makes sense that they have had more recent success. UND doesn't always have more talent, and probably rarely has overwhelmingly more talent. UND rarely has the number 1 ranked recruiting class, and is rarely ranked number 1 in the country at the beginning of the season. So it is probably inaccurate to believe that they have a huge amount of talent more than all of the other schools in the country. We have gone through this process before. There are plenty of examples of coaches and schools having extended periods without winning the title, that then go on to win multiple titles in a short period. That includes all of the top programs in the country. Just because Hak hasn't won a title yet is not a valid predictor of whether he will win one (or more) in the future.
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People complain because most of the crowd at the Ralph are there to be seen and don't really care about the hockey. That group isn't complaining about not winning titles. They aren't going away until UND starts losing a lot of games or it isn't as much fun at the games. A lot of us aren't placing complete emphasis on winning the national title. We realize that it isn''t the only deciding factor. You're right, if it gets to a point where they are losing large numbers of paying customers, then a change would be made. That isn't happening now and probably not for the next few years.
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I don't think his job security has anything to do with his desire to win.
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During the years that Hakstol has been at UND, Duluth has won 0 WCHA regular season titles, 1 Final Five, made 4 appearances in the national tournament and won 1 national title. Duluth really got it done 1 year, that's the only time they "won when it mattered". They don't do it on a regular basis. Sandelin is a good coach, and would probably be on a short list of desirable coaches if Hak leaves at some point. Duluth also has more Hobey Baker winners in history, so they get some pretty good players. As far as UND having the most talented team on the planet, I think you would get arguments from a lot of people about that. UND would be in the top group of colleges. But that group would include Michigan, Minnesota, Denver, and Boston College at a minimum. UND rarely has the top ranked class of recruits, that usually goes to one of the other schools I mentioned.
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Did I miss the 9 years in a row that the Cubs made the playoffs? I'm sure I would have remembered that. Or the period during the early 90's when UND was in the playoffs all the time, but people stopped going to games? Try comparing apples to apples instead of apples to walnuts. Hakstol is a very successful coach. The only thing he hasn't won is the national title. There are 50 plus Division I schools that would beg to have that problem.