82SiouxGuy

It is perfectly clear that you are fixated on the nickname and logo. You put your wants above everyone else on the planet. That has been apparent for years. It doesn't matter what you want, someday you will see a UND team without a nickname. If by some chance it stays through the election, the Supreme Court will probably get rid of it, or the Legislature can get rid of it by overriding the vote. The nickname and logo will be retired sooner or later. Is that clear enough for you?

They don't look exactly the same, but they represent the same school, and the same team. The difference is that one of them would keep UND on sanctions through eternity if the athletic department can survive in some form. The other one allows UND to compete without restrictions. That looks like an easy choice. I vote for the interlocking ND.

Why can't you actually say what you mean? Again you are trying to explain yourself. Again, words have meanings. Use the words. Don't keep throwing trash at the wall trying to make something stick.

I have showed you 2 different statements that you made. Your statements, not mine. You keep telling us that they mean the same thing. Everyone that understands English knows that they don't. But we would love to find these schools without athletics. Let us know when you find them.

And I keep telling you that words have meanings. Why don't you pay attention to the meanings of the words that you throw out there.

Sorry, Dave, you can't dig yourself out of this hole. You make a bold statement, you have to be able to back it up. You made a bold statement and it was proven false. No matter how much you try to wiggle out of it, everyone on this forum that has read your statement knows that you are trying to talk out of both sides of your face. And as I stated, it is obvious that the Committee was trying to make a point by referring to the NDSU program as a whole, not limiting themselves to a single season. No one in the Big 10 schedules all of the teams in the conference. So saying that NDSU has not scheduled Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa this coming season is a meaningless statement. Michigan probably doesn't play all 3 this season. Now you have expanded the possibilities for the press release to include either they made a completely false statement on purpose, they didn't know enough to do their research, or they made a meaningless statement to mislead voters. All 3 of these possibilities show the lengths that the Committee will go to. Good to know that you will stand with those trying to bamboozle the voters.

Carlson still believes that the NCAA is going to back down if the voters approve keeping the name, at least that's the impression that he has given during interviews recently. He has bragged about signing the petitions. He thinks it is right to "show the NCAA". He is either ignoring the meeting they had with the NCAA, or else it is part of his plan to dismantle the State Board of Higher Education. My bet is that he is trying to push the SBoHE into a corner. Hopefully the voters will see through him and vote Yes on Measure 4.

I like that, and hope that people continue to push that idea. If I lived in Carlson's district I would strongly consider helping put together a recall effort to get him out of the Legislature.

I am still surprised by the people that call themselves supporters or "fans" of the University of North Dakota, yet they will throw the entire athletic department under the bus just so they can continue to see the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo on the hockey jerseys. And even more surprised by the fact that they are unable to comprehend the fact that the hockey program itself will also be damaged by the sanctions.

Silly question. It doesn't matter what any one else wants. It is always about Dave. After all, Dave is a grad..., no, big financial supp..., no, big "fan" of the Univer..., no, Fighting Sioux. That's it, Dave is a big "fan" of the Fighting Sioux. Nothing else and no one else matters.

You did not say that you believed that athletics are not needed in order for a school to provide a quality education. Your statement was that some of the finest colleges in the country don't have sports. The exact statement is below. Your "theory", as you call it, is one thing. The statement in bold is a statement of "fact". Except it is wrong. You made a direct statement that you can't back up, so you keep trying to change the story. That is one of the reasons that we can't accept whether you are making a literal statement or not based solely on your words. Your excuse for the Committee doesn't wash either. The exact statement was: This means that they HAVE NOT SCHEDULED, in other words have not in the past nor have on the schedule in the future. The have not scheduled is inclusive of all schedules. If they meant this year they would have said something like, "Don't have Minnesota, Iowa or Wisconsin on the schedule this year in football" or something similar. A strong and vibrant program isn't built on a single year's schedule or results. A strong program means that the program is strong from year to year. They didn't do any homework at all and they blew the statement. Anyone that reads the statement, other than you, realizes that. And the mistake makes them look bad. You trying to dance around these statements makes you look bad.

Why do you have a problem admitting that you were wrong? You made a simple declarative statement. Someone else proved it wrong. You tried to spin what you had said and shift the subject so that you didn't have to admit you were wrong. You did the same thing with the press release from the Committee. You won't admit that they were wrong. You tried to spin their words. It was a simple statement and it was false. Admit that they were wrong. Simple, declarative statements are taken literally. You tried to tell us that they weren't literal, when everyone that read them knew that they were both literal and wrong. That is where my problem comes in.

Time to end this crazy stuff and END the transition.

According to the chatter on eGriz, Jordy Johnson was expelled yesterday. The first word came via Twitter last night, but it had been rumored for over a week. He had a hearing where he was charged with breaking the Student Code of Conduct. That was on the 16th, and they thought it would take about 10 days to hear the findings. That would be today, but it sounds like word leaked last night. He does have 1 or 2 appeal options. But no one seems to know if he is going to actually appeal. The Montana kid left school earlier so it sounds like they have some large questions at QB.

Did you notice that out of the many few UND grads that have sent letters supporting the idea of keeping the nickname, at least 2 of them are pilots. Maybe they're sniffing too much of that pure oxygen.

Which is it? Are your posts literal or not? If your statements are literal then you can tell us which top university doesn't have athletics. If we aren't supposed to take your posts literally then we can't take it literally when you say you want to keep the nickname. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

Obviously the letter writer doesn't understand that the sanctions will damage the athletic department, which will in turn decrease the effectiveness of athletics as a recruiting tool and decrease the effectiveness of athletics as a tool for attracting donations. Both of these will damage the ability to support current and future alumni. Probably another person that has not taken the time to learn the whole story and they are just reacting to the possibility of losing the name.

We have misunderstood Dave. It turns out that we aren't supposed to take things he says literally. Most of what he says is actually the opposite of what he really means, although there are some times it isn't. You just have to learn to speak Dave-ese. But when he says he supports the nickname, he really means he supports retiring the nickname. When he says he is voting no, he actually means he is voting YES. We should all thank Dave for voting YES on Measure 4 and supporting the retirement of the nickname. Thanks Dave.

And we know that we can't take what you say literally, so that means Dave is actually voting YES on Measure 4. Thanks for supporting the retirement of the nickname.

As well they should be. They would be asked to pay the biggest price, along with the women's hockey team, because of the visibility of the sports and the impact on their ability to compete.

He also has family members that played football who are willing to give up ever having a chance to host playoff games. I don't know if I have ever met a football player who would willingly give up a home playoff game.

I'm pretty sure it isn't clear enough for him. He will make up whatever meaning he wants.

I think I've finally figured it out. Dave doesn't mean what he actually posts. He doesn't want us to take his posts literally. In fact, most of his posts probably mean the opposite of what he posts. For instance, when he posts "We need to keep the Fighting Sioux nickname" what he really means is "We need to keep the Fighting Sioux nickname in our hearts when we retire it". So Dave is really in favor of retiring the nickname and we just didn't understand. Did you hear that everyone? DaveK thinks it is time to retire the nickname. Thanks for supporting the cause, Dave.

That wasn't your original statement. But you keep believing that, Dave. Maybe it will keep you warm at night.

You made the original statement. It was wrong. What planet do you live on anyway? Or maybe a better question is what color is the sky in your world?