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You're awesome, sprig!! Thanks for getting the ball rolling. Is there a way to keep us informed of the balance? That way if the flow doesn't go as projected those that want to can add to their contribution. Siouxmama is out of town without her laptop. She wanted me to let Bob know that he and his are in her prayers. Without asking, I know she will be contributing to the FTA system as well.

Hmmm, maybe you should wear Jimmy Choo (shoes).

Bob, know that your son and family are in my prayers. As stated above, if there's anything I can do for you let me know!!

Nope. Bar owners cannot refuse service to anyone for any reason. Gay>no, black (or any race you don't like)>no, fat>no, stupid>no, ugly>no. Drunk>yes (should be done more often) because of potential liablity, unruly>yes because it's against the law, underaged>yes because it's against the law. My opinion of where you can and cannot smoke has not changed. The ban is for smoking in public bars, I agree. You can smoke outside, in a private setting, in your friend's home if they don't mind, go for it. But you can no longer smoke in a public bar.

Ok, you don't have to pay extra for a hands free device. The point is you are not allowed to use your private cell phone in your private vehicle in a manner you choose. You are regulated by law to use a hands free device. Your personal rights are being infringed upon. Before this law was passed, it was previously legal to use your private cell phone in your private vehicle without a hands free device. I don't understand where you're going with 'Not to mention environmental issues.' There are less environmental issues smoking outside versus smoking indoors. It was a suggestion. I don't know of any private smoking clubs in ND, because I don't care to go to one, but perhaps someone will open one. If a bar owner is going to lose business because smoking is no longer allowed indoors, it would stand to reason (that reasoning) that same bar owner will make more money by changing his public establishment to a private smoking bar. I will keep a lookout for news of bars switching to private smoking clubs.

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It certainly does. She is not allowed to use her cell phone in her PRIVATE vehicle without first paying a hundred bucks to comply with the law. A bar owner can provide for an outdoor environment on his property for his smoking clients thereby complying with the law. I would qualify a PRIVATE drinking establishment as an establishment open to members only. The general public cannot enter the premises or participate in activities on the premises with being invited by they owner of said establishment. I believe that private clubs are regulated differently in most states but don't know if ND has such regulations in place.

[quote name='DaveK' date='Jun 26 2008, 12:19 PM' post='344373' Having said all of that, if that's the reason why you dislike me... then you're only making yourself out to be a petty and spiteful b!tch. Yeah, I said it. I treat people the way they treat me. You'll never ever see me being mean to somebody who doesn't first do or say something to spite me. I'm sorry that you can't take it as well as you can dish it out.

Yes and no. She can still use the phone and drive but there is a caveat applied, she needs hands free technology to do it. It's still legal to drink and smoke. The caveat is it cannot be in a public establishment. I see the point about the bar owner. BUT, the bar is PUBLIC. I would not oppose smoking in PRIVATE drinking establishments.

As a bleeding heart liberal, some idiot liberal would say I should be upset about this. I'm not! The right to carry arm's is an inherent right in this country. Gun control hasn't worked that great in England. http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/internatCrime.php

But, isn't that infringing on soccer mom's personal freedom? I'd vote for that as well!

Hmmm, let's see, now why don't I like DaveK? Oh yeah!! His kid's hockey team lost, in a fair little guy game, to my friend's kid's team. And what does this hockey dad do? He goes over to the winning teams teen-aged coach, accuses him of cheating, attempts to ream him a new one and gets upset when the parents come to the coach's defense. Yeah, I admit it, I don't like DaveK!

Goon don't get into a battle of wits with this guy, he's obviously unarmed.

Very good!! Thanks.

As I said privately, I lean more to the left on most issues but I find DK's statement stoopid! But, I also find myself almost siding with the bilous green and puke yellow when he posts crap about them.

"You don"t have enough talent to win on talent alone." ~Herb Brooks

The boys probably cleaned their mess. Probably did it shortly after the 'crime'. This was likely the 'satisfaction'. What a waste of time and money for our judicial system......

Unfortunate that the smoking ban wasn't in force yet. Could have saved the bar and it's patrons from more than just air Pollution.

I'd like to believe that as well.

Less government isn't the answer. I've become to much of a cynic to believe that my fellow citizen will do the 'right thing'. The result of 'less government' is me and mine getting hurt.

You just proved the point I was making to Slamdance.

I don't have a hard time grasping your standing on principal. I have my own principals. My disagreeing doesn't mean I don't understand or see your view point. I just don't agree with it.

People are NOT moving out of ND because we say, 'you don't like it move'! They are moving because there are very few good paying, professional/technical jobs in the state. Our educators are among the poorest paid in the country. Embarrassing!!! But, that's another topic for another thread!! You're right, this country is not about running you out. This is a democratic society. The people have spoken. Smoking is banned in Fargo bars. Live (long and healthy) with it.

Really? 1. Asbestos, 'Why do I have to pay to remove it? It doesn't bother me! You don't like it move or don't work here!' 2. Lead based paint, 'For what they pay for rent, they're lucky it's painted! Just keep those kids away from the chipped parts.' 3. Flourinated water, 'It's the Commies way to try to make us stupid so they can take over the country! Leave my water alone!' 4. Mandatory immunizations, 'They just make my kids sick, I don't want them to get them.' 'It's just a way for the white man to sterilize negros.' 5. Government regulated building codes, 'What do you mean, I can't build a three story building? If they wanted a lake view, they should have bought lake shore property!' 6. Mandatory education, 'Why does my daughter need to go to school? She's just going to get married and have kids. She doesn't need an education.' 'My son's are going to inherit the family business. I'll teach them what they need to know.' 'If my 7 year old goes to school, I'm going to have to get a hired man to do his chores!' None of the above statements is fictitious. The people who made those comments or similar ones, honestly believed their personal freedoms were being were being taken away.

Yep!