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Does anyone know where Charles Murphy stands regarding the name and logo?

Congratulations! It's so hard to believe you're already seniors.

It's never too early to plan a road trip! I hope to go to the Mich Tech game. It's their Hall of Fame weekend so I hope I can get tickets through UND. Looks like I will likely be in Ohio when the two Ohio teams are in Grand Forks. Not sure where I'll be in January but if it's anywhere near Ithaca, I'll be there!

I'm back for a little while.

I've been out of the loop for a bit here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought UND already rolled over on the nickname change? Haven't they already agreed to change the name this fall?

Damn, damn, damn............. I haven't been around due to internet access problems and just heard today about Troy's death. I'm so sorry for his family and friends and for us, his SS.com comrades who will miss him greatly. We're all going to miss him friend, foe, troll and skippy. I, too, met Troy at that 2006 tailgater and have exchanged more than a few jokes with him 'behind the scenes'. I feel really sad right now, so.... later.

UGH......

What document do you have? What was the unfortunate circumstance?

Jail isn't the answer. Given what we know about his addiction, he needs long term (at least one year, IMO) in-patient treatment. I wish him the best. *Gophers still suck.*

Prp was released by the Cardiff Devils. I wish him the best. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/ice-ho...91466-23826498/

Well said! Kudos to you, grasshopper!

Ya gotta quit wearing your yarmulka when you're shopping. You know how racist people are!!

This is all really, really sad.

Exactly!!! When I was working on the Navajo Reservation, I was told that the Navajo were not friends (polite way to say it) with the Sioux. Goes back many, many generations but the people who told me this weren't clear as to why. They shared this with me when I told them my home was North Dakota.

You're Jewish?!? *note to self, remove redwing77 from friends list before 'they' find out *

I went to the Wal-Mart in Devils Lake and the clerk didn't chit chat with me. She just took my money and gave me my receipt. I was so hurt. To this day, I haven't been back.

I attended the U of I for one year (I was born and grew up in Chicago). I was aware of the name and logo but since I was not a college sports fan, that's all I was, just aware. I did not educate myself, at that time, as to who the Illini people were.

1. Of course not. 2. Of course.

Education is a powerful tool. I pray that we get to keep our name and logo but we should not tie the education, scholarships or Native American programs to them. We should not use education as a pawn or ransom to be used to keep what we believe to be ours.

1 & 2. We agree. 3. I don't understand what your responding to? My answer was in response to your question, "....do you think that the people you meet believe that by wearing that clothing you are placing yourself in a superior position to the Sioux?" Since no person who I have met when I am wearing Sioux gear has said anything negative to me about the name and logo, I can't answer that question.

1. Since he was named Director of Indian Studies at a University, I 'assume' that he did not believe that education stopped at a much younger age than 18-19. 2. He worked for UND and as such his goal was to bring in enough grants/monies to fund the programs there. Why dilute the funds amongst all the colleges and univeristies when you can have the best programs at one university in the state? Art Raymond was a great educator, neighbor, friend, caring individual and his death is a great loss to our community and state. I know that if he could have educated everyone, he would have. He did what he could with what he had and where he was. As a result, our University is held up as the standard for Native American studies and education. 3. I agree that the nickname and logo are not the cause of the NA problems. It's just one thing that the pro name change group feel they have control over. And has been proven by the Spirit Lake vote, the majority do not feel the name and logo are causing any NA problems.

No one has ever come up to me and said a negative thing about the Fighting Sioux logo on the clothing I wear. I think it's great if the Sioux name and logo generates enough curiosity in some people that they will educate themselve. I don't believe it is the 'norm'. When I moved to ND, I educated myself about the Native American people who live in ND because there are four reservations in the state. When I first moved here I wasn't aware of the Fighting Sioux name and logo. I'm ashamed to say, I wasn't a college sports fan when I moved here.

You should read the post I responded to before you ask what my point is.

I'm wrong about the NA programs not getting state money. I was reading articles about Art Raymond and came across the following information. Do you think Art Raymond did this so the University could keep the name and logo? http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/nd/2009/13...s_und_dies.html

I don't believe that the number of Native American programs at UND are tied to the Sioux name and logo. There are three (four if you count Sisseton-Wahpeton)reservations in North Dakota. That is why, IMO, there are so many Native American programs at UND. In addition, the programs are funded by federal grants. The last time I checked, no state money was used for the programs but that may have changed. The reason we have so many more NA programs than NDSU is because we're the better school. The environment, the education dispite what antiname proponents state is the best place for the programs. That's why the NAs and U have obtained the funds needed to pay for these programs. Are you really offended that there are no Norweigen programs at UND? Have you petitioned the U for any? Have you written any grants or proposals to help fund such a program? Right..... I support the name and logo 100% but I'm getting really tired of blaming an entire population of people for the actions of a few anti-name proponents. When we write here and in other forums about getting rid of NA programs, limiting access to a college education to NA's it makes us look petty, vindictive and uncaring to a population that has done us no harm. The fault here lies with the NCAA and a few NA and non-NA anti-name radicals. Let's not stoop to their level.