UNDlaw80

We can get into excuses all we want. The fire Dept. does their job. The police?...not so much. The police are nothing more than public functionaries. Do your job, you earn respect. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, Right-Wing Political Correctness is on full display. Any negative talk of police, the flag, military, patriotism is met with negativity.....usually encompassing a large undercurrent that promotes adherence to authority.

Because, as I pointed out, all this anger isn't innately about the shootings. The reasons people are protesting affects a large portion of the country. Unlike Trump who is focusing in the symptom (which affects few people), the disease affects many.

You're missing the forest for the trees. Police shootings are the focal/rallying-points for the overall rage at the daily biased policing in these people's lives. These shootings don't exist in a vacuum. Nobody's gonna protest if the police did their jobs 99.9% of the time but screwed up once in a while, that happens everywhere. Not in the inner city. I understand that dark people rioting scares the whites; but we need to treat the disease, not the symptom. Pardon the language, but this tweet says it all.

Trump is banking the election on it. Conservative media attention will be focused on rioters 24/7. "Vote Biden, your house will burn down". Never mind that 99.9% of Americans aren't being affected by these lawless actions.

Quit exaggerating. When the idiots focus their rioting attention at federal buildings, these buildings end up being protected for the most part. I mean ‘evil left-wing’ Gov. Evers called up the national guard days ago. All gov. buildings are protected in Kenosha. Violence is almost always focused inward (businesses and cars burned).

Too bad these shootings didn't happen 2 weeks ago. That kid would've been asked to speak at the GOP convention.

You’re all giving this kid too much credit. From what I’m gathering, he was frequent teased growing up, was recently denied entrance into the military, and went to the protest with his mom (who was also a militia member). Yea it's fun to play policeman; but in this instance he likely got involved and mixed-up in a situation way beyond his control. I'd like to know what led up to that first shooting; and how and why he was separated from his peers.

He won't get off scot-free. That's a given. But murder charges? Who knows. Imo, it really depends on what they have on video; which i'm sure prosecutors have tons of. It happened downtown; there's a hospital nearby and that gas station would also have cameras. 6 charges brought against him now. -2 charges of first degree reckless homicide -attempted first degree intentional homicide -2 charges of first degree recklessly endangering safety -possession of a dangerous weapon

Are you obligated to run? Legally, that depends on the state. In Wisconsin you have the duty to first retreat from a threatening situation if you can do so with complete safety. But like previously mentioned, there are so many other mitigating factors regarding what the jury hears.

I'm talking about this specific incident. In this case, the Kenosha PDs hands were not tied to the extent it prevented them from policing the militia at that particular point. The police had a job to do. They ***ed up. End of story. No excuses. Seriously, I hate PC culture as much as anybody. I thought the right-wing would be there with me on this, but this isn't always so. You guys have your own PC culture in which any criticism of police, military, country is generally met with utter disdain.

You need to use every option available to run away. Initially doing as such, then turning to your attacker and saying "game on!" and killing them will get you put away faster than flies on ****. Did he do this? I'm not sure. Video isn't the clearest. I'm just stating this is where it gets tricky for him.

Per Wisconsin law (unless its the Castle Doctrine) if someone is trying to kill you, you need to exercise every avenue of possible escape before using deadly force. You need to reasonably believe you're in imminent danger with no escape. 2nd shooting, he's all good. First shooting is where it gets a little more tricky.

That's the 2nd shooting, I see that as complete self defense. It gets more tricky on the first shooting. Based on what I've seen (I haven't spent too much time looking at it) he stops, faces his attacker and shoots. That's not a lot for 1st degree murder though.

Hands tied? Allocate their focus? Police certainly had the time and resources to stop, talk and thank those militia guys. Perhaps instead of thanking them they should've used that time to tell them to GTFO like everybody else. This isn't difficult. Would it have prevented the shooting? Well, the shooter was in the group. But who knows. Anyhow, according to that militia member in the video, the police actively tried to use the militia to quell protesters. Is this also justified in bizarro world? Thankfully the militia dude wasn't having any of that BS. Called the police ‘pigs’ at one point. But who knows if its true.

I mentioned it earlier. Wisconsin doesn't have a stand your ground. Everything will likey be predicated on whether he exercised every and all opportunities to retreat before he shot people.

Yep. Ironically though, that ostensibly minor biased action by the Kenosha PD helps exemplify why people are protesting in the first place. Yea sure, the police shootings (Floyd, Blake) get the headlines and are used for mass protests, but these incidents don't exist in a vacuum. They are focal-points for the overall rage and anger at the daily $hitty and biased policing. Law and order is needed. But people also need confidence in the PDs carrying out these measures. How we navigate the maze to rectify these two together is the problem.

Properly trained and professional police don't pick sides. It's not an option. By not doing their job, they helped set the stage for the shooting to occur; especially when you have idiots on both side of the isle running around. If the police attempted to clear everybody out (curfew was enacted) chances diminish a shooting happens. Very interesting - some militia members aren't too impressed with the police either. .https://www.facebook.com/100031692351519/videos/301214837611592/?extid=tAzKAvufE3MQx65b

Trump Trash militia kid charged with 1st Degree intentional homicide. Whatever happened beyond the 2 killings is inconsequential now. Wow, prosecutors are going all in. They must have additional info. It's risky as **** to overcharge to that degree considering the video evidence available. They could've easily got him on some lesser charges.

Nope. Again, the onus is on him to retreat whenever and wherever he possibly can before using deadly force. Every single time. That said, it would be hilarious if the defense entered the courthouse saying: "Huh, huh, huh.... your honor, my client pleads not guilty. He retreated once, before the molotov cocktail was thrown; after that..fair game. IT'S ON!!!!" That's fantastic.

Wisconsin doesn't have a stand your ground law. This means he has a duty to first retreat before using any amount of lethal force. At the point he unloaded in the protesters direction, he could have easily retreated towards the cops (where he eventually slowly walked as it was). That he didn't even make an attempt to retreat in addition to shooting multiple rounds will be his undoing; and that's if they can't get him on the actual killings.

Correct. Not in the 1st degree or anything like that. Still, this piece of trash will be going away for a while. And rightfully so. Maybe reckless homicide at the most. Have fun with all the black dudes targeting you in jail ***hole. Don't drop the soap.

Disagree. He wasn't in immediate danger at that point. And the fact he fired multiple times will be his undoing. He's ****ed.

As it stands now the Police Department is remaining silent on the issue. The CoP is disputing that footage exists. Ha! Obviously that's BS. Ultimately I think the the County Sheriff and his deputes will be SOG. They were the ones getting chummy with the militia guys. Then again, who knows, I don't have much confidence in the police's ability to police itself.

For one, the killer was too young to open carry in Wisconsin. And two, the entire place was under curfew. Just like the protesters, the militia had no legal right to be on public property, which they were. Kenosha Chief of Police: “Everybody involved was out after the curfew. I’m not going to make a great deal of it, but the point is that the curfew is in place to protect. Had persons not been out in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened.”

This kid is going away for a long time. I think he can claim self defense for much of it. But, from viewing videos, there's a point where he turns around (with nobody within like 30-40 yards of him, or throwing anything at him) and he unloads into the crowd. Good luck justifying that.