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On 11/14/2021 at 10:33 AM, geaux_sioux said:
Christmas Recruiting Wishlist:
RB: Emmett Johnson, 6', 185, Minneapolis (Holy Angels), MN Has offers from UNI, SDSU, WKU, MT St, EMU, CMU & USD
WR: Caden Dennis, 6'2”, 170, Liberty (Liberty), MO
DL: Wesley King, 6'5”, 270, Appleton (North), WI Has offers from CMU, USD, UNI, NDSU & IL St
DL: Luna Larson, 6'2”, 210, Baraboo (Baraboo), WI Has offers from Air Force, EKU, Columbia, Buffalo, Dartmouth, CMU, Penn, EMU & GeorgetownATH: Keyshaun Elliott, 6'3“, 220, Richmond (Richmond), MO Has offers from Kansas, Eastern Michigan, UNI, Illinois State, USD, SEMO, Air Force & Army
One down on this list. Anyone have any other updates on these 4 or anyone else?
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8 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
Robertson makes more sense with the depth at that spot. Less so with Nelson leaving though. Urwiler was looking at a ton of playing time next fall.
i hate to see anyone leave who has played and especially played early in their careers, likely will take a minimum of 6 recruits to replace Robertson, Nelson and Urwiler. That just sucks.
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7 minutes ago, AJS said:
@Midwestern Hawk I stand corrected. I clearly don't understand the thought process for some of these, specifically Urwiler / Robertson. It's time to log out until the smoke settles. Who knows how bad this could get.
Hopefully it won't get much worse, IMO we will know the extent of the losses by next Monday. Lots of factors likely involved, but the season results can't help.
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7 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
This one hurts.
Yep. Very likely would have been in 2 deep next fall.
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13 minutes ago, Vegas_Sioux said:
We are supposed to believe that Jesus lives in Crookston?
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25 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
By expectations do you mean:
- what you want to happen, or
- what you suspect will actually happen.I am asking what you want to have happen and what the expectations should be within the university administration, the athletic department and the fan base.
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2 hours ago, AJS said:
You would think, logically, that players would be entering sooner than later, correct? Why would players be waiting to enter the portal?
Or am I reading your post wrong? Of course there is always a handful of walk ons that won’t be on the roster next year, but that’s the case with every college football team, every year.If you’re implying that there will be more ‘Nelson’ type players, we’d be finding that out soon. Or at least that would make the most sense to me.
I think will be in the clear by this time next week as far as the portal, aren’t individual meetings held this week? Also think a couple more may not return for that 6th year thing.
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Just now, fightingsioux4life said:
I imagine that is just the beginning of the departures.
Yep. Unfortunately will be more.
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34 minutes ago, Irish said:
Agreed - but I see absolutely no indication that Bubba has learned anything. At this stage of his coaching career there is absolutely no excuse for managing games like a Junior High Math teacher who was talked into coaching 7th grade football.
That is much of my issue. With this “in-game” problem, UND has to be a chunk better than the top of the MVFC, and that just isn’t going to happen until we have won a national championship or two and even then, the top will usually be pretty even and decided by small details.
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21 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
We all want it better. But using the MSU path as your example ain't it. Maybe SDSU and how they have handled their coaches? Oh wait, bad example.
Maybe we play in the Big South and become "Top 10" like Kennesaw?
We all want UND to become a top program. Bubba is in his last two seasons, we all know that. So sit back and relax, you will get your white knight then.
The MSU example was about how a coach can come in and win right away and some coach can't win consistently after 8 years at the helm. I love Bubba and much of what he has done, but if anyone is going to try and convince me he is a good "in game" coach....best of luck.
We all dwell on the games where those decisions were vital to the outcome, but don’t forget about the time management issues at the end of the first half vs WIU. It was another disaster, it just didn’t matter much.
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Vote on your expectation level for North Dakota Football for the fall of 2022 and beyond....
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36 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
If you want UND to hire a Petrino type next to quickly turn it into, well, what we already have every other year, then go on record. 30+ transfers and he will leave after 3 years is what we will get. Then what?
I want to be a top 10 FCS program year in and year out. We are at best a top 30 FCS program after Bubbas 8th year, that’s not good enough for me.
Obviously you have different expectations for UND football. What are they? Where should the UND football program be at this point in Bubbas tenure?
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Moving my post.
Missouri State is in 2nd year of regime(with 2 playoff appearances), USD is in 6th year of regime(2nd playoff appearance.) Under your scenario I would agree with Shawn O, 2 year extension(mainly for recruiting), with a message that 7-4 and playoffs is minimum expectation.
Is UND a top 10 FCS program or not? Is that your expectation? It is definitely my expectation. This is not performance to that expectation.
2014 North Dakota 5–7 3–5 T–8th 2015 North Dakota 7–4 5–3 T–4th 2016 North Dakota 9–3 8–0 T–1st L NCAA Division I Second Round 2017 North Dakota 3–8 2–6 T–9th North Dakota Fighting Hawks (NCAA Division I FCS independent) (2018–2019) 2018 North Dakota 6–5 2019 North Dakota 7–5 L NCAA Division I First Round North Dakota Fighting Hawks (Missouri Valley Football Conference) (2020–present) 2020 North Dakota 5–2 4–1 T–1st L NCAA Division I Quarterfinal 2021 North Dakota 5–6 3–5 T–7th -
9 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:
What if we finish the season 7-4 next year and lose in the second round of the playoffs ? Clean house and fire everyone or extend Bubba? Seriously ?????
USD and Missouri St both lost their first round matchups today. That easily could have been us and you still would whine…… and those fan bases better call for a coaching change too! Championships or bust!!!!!
Missouri State is in 2nd year of regime(with 2 playoff appearances), USD is in 6th year of regime(2nd playoff appearance.) Under your scenario I would agree with Shawn O, 2 year extension(mainly for recruiting), with a message that 7-4 and playoffs is minimum expectation.
Is UND a top 10 FCS program or not? Is that your expectation? It is definitely my expectation.
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10 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
You serious?
Unless you think losing 5 MVFC was just bad luck, absolutely. Don’t make changes, this team will continue to be 5-6 to 7-4 with the occasional 3-4 win and 8-9 win season. Is that good enough for you?
That’s not good enough.
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30 minutes ago, iramurphy said:
Not sure how we can measure expectations and commitment from the outside looking in. I would guess the expectations were high and from everything I read and heard the players had a great off season in the weight room. I couldn’t care less what the Bison do with Entz.
Well then if the expectations are to be MVFC champion and a perennial top 10 FCS program, substantial changes need to be made. We finished 5-6.
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25 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:
I would hope Entz seat was hot if they finished 5-6 since he took over a program that was winning a National Championship 4 out of every 5 years. Meanwhile Bubba took over a program that went 3-8 and wasn't even sniffing being the the playoff discussion. Doesn't mean I don't think Bubba needs to get some of his crap together on some of the things that happened this year, we have him for two more years that is just reality. Goofy year or not, he did just come off a MVFC conference co-title and isn't getting fired and contract buyout.
With all due respect, you have proven my point.
8th year in and we finished 5-6 and out of the playoffs. It fits in with the overall expectations for football at UND. Each of Bubba's conference championships were followed up with a losing record.
I know we are not buying out his contract, I just hope we don't sign him to a multi year extension next fall after we finish 6-5 and "just miss" the playoffs or finish 7-4 and lose in the first round of the playoffs.
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3 minutes ago, iramurphy said:
What he did well was limit punt returns. Maybe the most important statistic for a punter is his net average rather than average yds per punt. Peterson had very good year. Our special teams also did a good job covering punts.
Yep. Peterson was really good. Lots of height and few returned.
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15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
His seat will never be hot
Entz is resting his team and getting ready for 2nd round home game. Our team and coach are just plain home.
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2 hours ago, Nodak78 said:
Maybe I just heard or read some people wanted him to stay another. I know we have a great recruit that punts and kicks but planning for injury and snake bite. Cade did a great job the last couple years.
Not sure. I thought eligibility was used up. Came in 2018. He can play again if he chooses to..
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19 hours ago, zonadub said:
UND should be one of these top 10 FCS teams.
On another tangent… Opening the transfer portal, imho, is the Power 5 putting pressure on the NCAA to stop the break-away by those schools. They have enough power in the NCAA to force this onto the smaller schools, G5, FCS, DII and even DIII. This is making the small schools a farm system, like minor league baseball is to the Major Leagues.
Just missing the commitment and the expectations which come with that commitment.
How hot would the seat be for Entz in Fargo if he had just finished 5-6? Now layer in that all the MVFC losses were lost by one score or less and most of the losses could be traced back to coaching moves/non-moves. Entz would be packing his bags. At UND we tell each other we are "close" and just need a few more players to make up for the coaching brain farts.
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9 hours ago, Irish said:
And done wonders for fan support and attendance - we have been so close to building enthusiasm for Football and seem to shoot ourselves in the foot every time.
Absolutely. Would have created quite the BUZZ around Bubba's program, internally and externally.
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2 hours ago, Texas rancher said:
From 5-6 to 10-1, not winning a single conference road game!!!
that seems like an awful big swing on one fourth down mistake that only cost the team three points, but I digress, it’s your scenario.
Yeah, I would say a win over NDSU would be worth at least a TD a game in momentum, maybe more. I would also say the loss and more importantly the way we lost, created some negative momentum.
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1 hour ago, Texas rancher said:
You serious Clark???
Most definitely. The momentum would have been crazy after a win in Grand Forks. Everything would have been different, especially from a confident perspective.
North Dakota Football Expectation Level - 2022 Season and Beyond
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Some of us are just sick and tired of the excuses. Football is not rocket science and is the sport where coaching is much more important than any other sport. This fall was a failure. The schedule is easier next fall, but after 8 years, I just don't see much changing as far as the results.