Siouxdonyms Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Commodore was drafted in 1999, which I believe was after the fight with Alex Brooks. I'm getting older now, and my memory isn't what it used to be, but I thought that fight occurred in the '98-'99 season. I remember it happening, and I remember where I was sitting in comparison to where him and Brooks were on the ice. Regardless of when it did happen, I don't think it was the sole reason that Mike was drafted. Mike has shown since being drafted that yes, he can fight, but he can also assist his team in great ways outside fo the penalty box too. He also showed in last years playoffs that he can skate away from a fight to help his team out. This would most likely be a player that Redwing77 would choose to be on his team rather than someone such as Boogard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Regardless of when it did happen, I don't think it was the sole reason that Mike was drafted. Mike has shown since being drafted that yes, he can fight, but he can also assist his team in great ways outside fo the penalty box too. He also showed in last years playoffs that he can skate away from a fight to help his team out. After UND beat BC for the national championship, I remember a fan on USCHO proclaiming Commodore to be the best offensive-defenseman the Sioux had. Hey, Travis Roche was on that team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxdonyms Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 After UND beat BC for the national championship, I remember a fan on USCHO proclaiming Commodore to be the best offensive-defenseman the Sioux had. Hey, Travis Roche was on that team! Commodore played pretty well in that game, as well as throughout the entire playoff run. It would be a tough argument. A year later, I would go with Roche though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Commodore played pretty well in that game, as well as throughout the entire playoff run. It would be a tough argument. A year later, I would go with Roche though. Yes, Mike had a goal against Niagara (or was it Nigeria? ) in the playoffs and of course the great goal against BC. By the end of that season, it was clear that he was ready to turn pro. But scoring goals was hardly indicative of his play at UND and hasn't been his strong suit since then. Commie had five goals and seven assists as a junior that season. Roche had six goals and 22 assists as a freshman that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 AHH, THE GOPHERS END OF THE SEASON VIDEO TRIBUTE Hey that picture looks familiar. Should we say a picture speeks a 1000 words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikaia880 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 That's not the same thing. There are lots of scrums, but most don't result in anyone dropping the gloves.Eh, IMO scrums are worse. Cheap !@$! happens in those all the time, someone tries to rip your helmet off from behind, shots to the cash and prizes, gloves rubbed in your face, out of control sticks, and uneven number of players. As I've said, most fights that the gloves are dropped are clean, one on one fights. I'm interested in improving the game in ways that can actually protect the players and broaden its appeal. PCM, you're talking like guys are getting Fedoruk'd left and right. Serious injuries rarely happen in fighting. And you'll find a way to twist my words with something I've said earlier, but it keeps cheap shots down. I'd rather go fist to fist with a guy, than have him board me from behind (etc. etc.) As far as Commodore and getting drafted. It really doesn't matter when he was drafted with the way the NHL draft works. They'll still scout him and a guy still needs to get noticed to get in a position to jump to the bigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 For the most part they all know the game and have been fans for a long time. raynman03, PCM, Siouxman, Sioux-Cia, hockeymom, Siouxfan4life, morely, southpaw, NorthDakotaHockey, 7>4, YaneA, and I know I'm missing a whole bunch more, but they are all quality people. [sarcasm]Yeah but I've played the game......so I automatically know more than everyone else. [/sarcasm] Is it game time yet? *yawns* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 PCM, you're talking like guys are getting Fedoruk'd left and right. (Insert Mike McFeely sigh here) No I'm not. But I'm done talking about this and having to explain the same points over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeidiSioux62 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 After reading this lenthy discussion on this topic I found it rather interesting to read comments from the guys who actually lace up the skates. The death of the goon http://www.thehockeynews.com/en/news/news.asp?idNews=22147 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 After reading this lenthy discussion on this topic I found it rather interesting to read comments from the guys who actually lace up the skates. The death of the goon http://www.thehockeynews.com/en/news/news.asp?idNews=22147 Great article. I agree 2000% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 After reading that article, I just developed a whole new level of respect for Peter Laviolette. And I noticed that my two favorite teams (Detroit and New Jersey) both went all of last season without being involved in a fight. No, NJ nor Detroit "won it all" but it kinda puts things in perspective when you think of how important fighting is to winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimos Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 No, NJ nor Detroit "won it all" but it kinda puts things in perspective when you think of how important fighting is to winning. So you are saying that if a team has a goon and gets into some fights, they won't win? NJ has already been in quite a number of fights this year already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THETRIOUXPER Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hey, where's dickey, he needs to chime in on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 So you are saying that if a team has a goon and gets into some fights, they won't win? NJ has already been in quite a number of fights this year already. NJ has resident bully Cam Jansens that I would qualify as a straight goon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxdonyms Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 NJ has resident bully Cam Jansens that I would qualify as a straight goon... I would agree. Cam registers an average of 4-6 shifts a game. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I've seen him get 10 shifts, but I've also seen him skate 2 shifts in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I would agree. Cam registers an average of 4-6 shifts a game. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I've seen him get 10 shifts, but I've also seen him skate 2 shifts in a game. I personally like fighting in hockey, I agree with the article it will never disappear from the game, but if I was going to be a coach that had a team that happened to have a goon on my roster, they are going to have to do more than fight to contribute. The bogey man is really on the cusp of being a one dimentional player. Colton Orr is a one dimentional player, I believe that is why the Bruins unloaded him. I think your going to see that be a preresiquite to play in the NHL as a enforcer your goig to have to do more than fight.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I personally like fighting in hockey, I agree with the article it will never disappear from the game, but if I was going to be a coach that had a team that happened to have a goon on my roster, they are going to have to do more than fight to contribute. The bogey man is really on the cusp of being a one dimentional player. Colton Orr is a one dimentional player, I believe that is why the Bruins unloaded him. I think your going to see that be a preresiquite to play in the NHL as a enforcer your goig to have to do more than fight.. And that's my perspective to a tee. Cam Janssen isn't a player I care too much for. In fact, I don't know why he's dressed at all. He's being called a goon and you know what? I can't think of a better term for his gameplay. I'm not insinuating that NJ or Detroit NEVER fights (Duh... McCarty, Maltby, Draper, gosh there's a ton of em that have for Detroit alone.. Daneyko, Stevens for NJ) or that they haven't fought this season. Last season, though, they weren't involved in any fights and I think that warrants some applause. I really do believe that any one dimensional player (with perhaps exception being made to the stay at home defenseman) is not going to have a lot of value to the team. This isn't saying it can't be learned. (Dead horse coming!) Vanek was that way in Minnesota and in Rochester (AHL). He then got benched and since then, has worked hard enough on his defense that apparently he is now penalty killing for Buffalo. Yeah yeah, I'll know it when I see it, but seriously, one-dimensional players whose one dimension is fighting is, and rightfully so, heading the way of the dodo bird. And the faster they are extinct, the better. I don't care if you are Janssens, Worrell, Parker, or Boogaard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the article does pretty much explode the myth that fighting has some meaningful purpose to professional hockey other than entertainment value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimos Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the article does pretty much explode the myth that fighting has some meaningful purpose to professional hockey other than entertainment value. We get it already, you don't like fighting in hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Drop the gloves, skate in circles, jab jab uppercut jab JAB! down on the ice..bloodshed everywhere! I love hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the article does pretty much explode the myth that fighting has some meaningful purpose to professional hockey other than entertainment value. Pavol Demitra, for starters, would certainly disagree. http://www.hockeyfights.com/quickhits/qh/e...ogaards-return/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Pavol Demitra, for starters, would certainly disagree. http://www.hockeyfights.com/quickhits/qh/e...ogaards-return/ Pavel had a good night in a return to the line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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