Dikaia880

Good call, when you can't hack it don't work harder, quit and go somewhere that will live with your mediocracy...

Hmmm...a wink emoticon...trying to get more of my money? Thanks for the quick delivery on that other stuff by the way.

Easiest way to get the bubbles out is with a small propane torch (at least with the stuff I used, Dura coat maybe?) The bubbles will burst due to CO2, not heat, and the exhaust from your breath (this will make you lightheaded trying to blow them out) or the propane torch (so much easier and faster) will bring the bubbles right out.

Not really being much of a lover by not telling me where to get a copy of that game...

Just make sure it has a boo button... Super chexx isn't good unless it has a boo button...

Go to Michael's craft store and they have stuff you mix up and pour down, it's like putting down 50 layers of varnish and will not yellow, looks fantastic when done right... Can't remeber the name for the life of me!

Ah... Come on... I haven't been in a fight in a couple years now...

anyone got that game against Wisco, with the big fight in it back in '82 I think?

The bars are a waste of space but think of all the money that comes in... That is all that counts right?

No, the old one was, not the new one. Ah, did I wear you out? MikeJM, Do you really think that chanting sieve is nasty? Come On. This is college hockey, not a 3rd grade piano recital. I guarentee you that the goalie in net has heard things that would make you're head burst open if you think sieve is nasty. [rant] What needs to happen? First of all, people need to stand up every now and then and cheer. Its a joke how a $100 million dollar arena, built to be loud can be so quiet at times. The Canadians at the world juniors showed us how loud that place can get, why isn't it. Partially because there has been a witch hunt by people with money, season ticket holders, and security against the UND students. At the old ralph the students rarely sat down, and never shut up. Sure some of the chants were slightly vulger, but that doesn't have to happen and we can still be loud. I've been to games where we're down by a goal late in the 3rd period and we get a power play and its still quiet in there. Somehow the fans need an indoctrination into what it means to cheer for your team. New cheers don't come along that easily, but the fascia would help, shutting the PA guy up every now and then would help too. Go to the DECC, go to Wisc., go to Mankato... Those fans know how to rock a building, I hate to say it but we need to learn from them. Students should be allow to stand up the whole game, they'll be louder and they'll get the rest of the crowd into it. When they shut the students up, they shut the whole crowd up. [/rant] Okay, i didn't have many suggestions there. first, chants on the fascia. Second, give the students a little more 'elbow room' to be loud, Third, quit pandering to the money and suite holders (they ain't going anywhere,) fourth, get the band to lead cheers through song (drum usage etc.,) Fifth, quit pandering to the money, Sixth, educate the fans on the chants using flyers, posters, etc. Seventh, just stand the hell up and cheer when you should be standing up and cheering if someone with money tells you to sit down and shut up, tell them to stand up and get loud... [/rant again]

Not sure who posted this. But I would like to respond in part to shed light on the professor at UND. I have several degree's from UND, one of which is a minor in communications. I feel VERY slighted in that the education I received from that department was sub-par at best. Most of my classes revolved around professors who would rather do nothing but discuss the nickname issue and trash on any student who was in favor of the nickname. One of the few C's I received in undergrad came from a graphics design class. Our final project was to be a social activist project. I choose (against my better judgement) to do a pro-Sioux nickname poster, and very quickly received an F and a lecture, result in my overall grade going from an A to a C. My appeal fell on deaf ears in O'Kelly hall. I even had graphic designers on my side saying it was an excellent, professional quality project. All that because I was pro-Sioux. I've also witnessed it go the other way, activists sticking up for their beliefs, trashed on because of those beliefs. It is a sad thing to witness. In regards to the MBA dept. from which I recently graduated. The professors in that department are nothing, but the utmost professionals. Not once in my two years as an MBA student did I directly or indirectly hear any professor even refer to the nickname in any manner. In my opinion, without knowing much of LaPointe, I am inclined to believe he came across Dr. Wamsganss' accounting class or Dr. Nam's quantitative management class and couldn't hack it. There are quite a few people who drop out every semester from the MBA program for various reasons, it would be interesting to see if LaPointe every returns to any school to finish his degree. But I will say this, whatever his reason, he did not come across racism or hostile environs within the confines of the MBA program. It is interesting to note, due to the timing of it all, that Dr. Nelson just resigned as the director of the program this past week. Susan is also the head of the Sport Marketing programing in the CoBPA. She is a wonderful person, and I highly doubt her resignation is in anyway related to this issue. But the timing is interesting.

I have always understood that we used the ND first, not Notre Dame...

Where is the feed? I hope this stays up, it's going to be hard to watch any college hockey, let alone Sioux hockey when I move to TX.

Eh, IMO scrums are worse. Cheap !@$! happens in those all the time, someone tries to rip your helmet off from behind, shots to the cash and prizes, gloves rubbed in your face, out of control sticks, and uneven number of players. As I've said, most fights that the gloves are dropped are clean, one on one fights. PCM, you're talking like guys are getting Fedoruk'd left and right. Serious injuries rarely happen in fighting. And you'll find a way to twist my words with something I've said earlier, but it keeps cheap shots down. I'd rather go fist to fist with a guy, than have him board me from behind (etc. etc.) As far as Commodore and getting drafted. It really doesn't matter when he was drafted with the way the NHL draft works. They'll still scout him and a guy still needs to get noticed to get in a position to jump to the bigs.

Favorite ND town? Grand Forks, no question. Why? Because in reality its more like a Minnesota town than anything. I love me some East Grand Forks too... I hate what's happened to Joney's, now that was a great bar!

I have not done enough boob research lately...damnit! To answer the first part, don't say its a false claim that fighting and enforcement limits cheap shots. Obvious we can't prove that either way, however, a lot of people understand and see it that way. When it comes to comparing it to football, you're talking about illegal hits that have ruined many careers. I cannot think of one instance where a fight in hockey has ruined a career. I can think of many cheap shots and illegal hits that have. You mention if you were a professional athlete you would feel safer. It is very rare to hear a professional hockey player worry about their safety on the ice, even rarer to hear an NHL player say that he's worried about getting hurt in a fight. If they aren't complaining, why would any one else? Any rule can be ignored in the heat of the moment. Look at the Miami v. Florida International football game a couple weeks ago. I will say this again, the unwritten rules are followed by hockey players 90% of the time, sorry if you do not believe me, but that is the case. Going back to what got me in trouble with triouxper, I don't expect people outside of the game to understand that, but it is truly the case. Obviously there are exceptions, but exceptions happen everywhere in life. Time for me to go home now, maybe I'll go to the bar for a hockey game and to try to get some further boob research done...

But yeah, like I asked before.. What is the general age around here?

No, but he knew the risk and he took the risk. In a normal situation you're not getting into a fight you don't want to, with that being said most hockey players aren't going to back down from a fight either. PCM, plus don't read my wrong, I said my education. I do not claim to be an expert in marketing (or anything.) I do have an MBA with a focus in marketing, however, and in my opinion (without primary research or secondary data mind you) I do not believe that the fighting in hockey is the reason hockey is at the level of popularity it is. As you said it is a niche sport, and is marketed as such. The NHL does a poor job of national branding. Individual teams tend to do a good job in marketing, but only in local areas. Television contracts are poor, and the resulting broadcasts are poor. People who don't know the sport have a hard time understanding it on television and don't watch. Hockey unlike any other major sport is hard to watch on television, it is a game best experienced at an arena. That is one of the biggest humps for the sport. Like I said, Hi-definition will help this immensely. People who experience games first hand are likely to enjoy it, but you won't build a fan base that way, not to mention getting people in the stands isn't really all that big of a problem is it?

First off I was joking, because its easy to get a rise out of you. Second off, I'm not talking about the poster's here, I would expect that most of the people that come here either have a sincere interest in the sport and/or a good knowledge of the game. I never said most fans are ignorant to the game. There are, however, way too many people that the Sioux games because its a Grand Forks social event, not because its a hockey game. Football has outlawed hits that consistanly lead to injuries. For the most part fighting in hockey does nothing more than causes a few bruises and some bloody noses. Fedoruk is the exception, rather than the rule. Football is popular because of the physicality of it. If it were a touch football league, they wouldn't have much viewership. My education in marketing & sport marketing tell me otherwise. They tell me that the NHL does a horrible overall job in marketing the league and its product. I'm not saying they should marketing fighting, but I highly doubt the amount of fans you would bring in by dropping fighting would be worth the change in the game. Market the physicality of it, market the artisty of it, market the speed and tempo of the game. Most people I know that do not like the sport have seen a game before. "Oh I tried watching it, but I didn't know what was going on," or this or that. You have to get them to watch and get them to understand the game at the same time. The will not continue to watch it if they do not understand it.

TV ratings have never been all that high for the NHL. Plus there is a perception that the NHL is dying, and I think by looking at the attendance records you can see that just isn't the case. How old are all you guys. season ticket holders? Any students? I don't go to many games anymore, mainly because I don't live in GF anymore. I know it comes off as pissing and moaning, but they have a chance to have the best arena both facility and crowdwise at REA and for whatever reason they refuse to let it go there. How many of you went to a good number of games in both arena's? Wasn't it a hell of a lot more fun to watch a game there? I was at the Mankato game saturday night because I happened to be in the cities. That was a fun place to watch hockey. In undergrad, we'd always travel to the Duluth series because I'm from there. The DECC is one of the best places to watch hockey, because that crowd knows hockey and everyone is into it big time. I guess i just see what it could be, and I'm not satisfied with it... By the way, you guys are still all wrong about the fighting...esp. you triouxper...

Well no, Ralphie built, above all, a shrine to himself and place for his influencial money people to play. I have nothing against people who don't have a clue about the game going to the game to watch the sport. I have a problem with people going to the game because its the thing to do. Those people who get mad at students standing up all game, those people who complain about chants, and there are plenty of other gripes I have. People like the guy (mid 40's I'd say) who told me that I was too loud and he couldn't enjoy the atmosphere because of it. The lady who told me and my girlfriend that we were 'too into' the game, and then told the security guard we were too drunk, when all we had was a beer a piece, but since we looked like we were student age we got harrassed for half a period. Its happened other times, and non of those times was I 'too drunk,' swearing, or the like. Every time it has happened it was by some yokel who hadn't a clue there was a game going on. Stuff like that ruins it for me and it happens all over the place to a lot of people, and its a joke. That sort of thing never happened at the old Englestad. Students were on their feet the whole game, since seats were limited only people who really wanted to see hockey were there, and the real hockey atmosphere was embraced. I thouroughly enjoy it when I'm sitting next to someone who hasn't a clue about the game, but is trying to understand it. I do what I can to help them understand whats going on, and that's fun for me. But the other stuff is a joke...

Well, as I said there were numerous attendance records set last year. I don't think its dying at all, its stagnant at worst. If anything the main problem lies in the media coverage of the game, it gets very little attention from local news on up. That's the main problem, beyond that, the lack of general knowledge of the game. People have a hard time watching it on tv when they don't understand it, they can't watch the puck because they're not used to the movement. High Def. will be a big thing for hockey, and the NHL should make a big push for it. I highly doubt giving the violence loving nature of our country, that a fight every couple of games, is going to keep people from watching the sport. The newer rules have opened up the game and cut down on defensive minded teams playing the boring old trap. Goalie pads were shrunk, but I think we need to have a little bit bigger net. Do I really like it? Not really, but more offense would bring more people into the game. There are a lot of things the NHL needs to change. But I highly doubt that people are going to think to themselves. "You know, I heard the NHL got rid of fighting, I should check out a game."

From what I understand, without research to back me up at the moment. Weren't attendance records set all over the league last year? Don't think I'm trying to say that the NHL should be using fighting as a way to draw people in, thats the last thing I want. But to try to cut it way down or penalize it strictly, would be to ignore the real issues with drawing new fans into the sport.

Triouxper, its not my worry what other people are doing. My worry is when the money and the 'fans' who are there not because they care about the sport, but because its something to do, ruin it for the real fans. The whole student section deal is still a mess, isn't really their team? The student continue to get a raw deal at Englestad and its absolutley pathetic that money gets in the way of them enjoying 'their' team the way they always have. It is also just sad to me to see how unbelievably quiet that arena can be during games, when it was built to be loud. I'm sorry you take exception to it, but beyond the way students get treated and the noise level, there is a complete lack of hockey knowledge by a good number of the fans there. They get mad at good calls, and pissed at good no-calls. I have been to many many arenas in the WCHA and by far our arena has the least knowledgeble fans around, sorry, but its true. I understand you analogy for the 87%, but you missed my point. Which is that it can be inferred that if such a large portion of the fanbase likes the fighting, then at the very least there is a good percentage of those outside of the fanbase who would like it as well. I did say that enforcers limit the amount of cheapshots and HEAVY unecessary clean hits. I did not say they are intended to stop all hits, don't twist my words. What sort of people say they don't like the fighting when you come across them? Why should the NHL pander to fans that have for so long ignored the game. Why should it sell out for them? There are many reasons the NHL doesn't do well nationally, but I HIGHLY doubt fighting has anything to do with that. What I was getting at by mentioning the UFC is that if fighting is such an issue why are those fans flocking to the NHL?

Actually, I lumped YOU into that category. I'd assume most people around here are knowledgable fans who enjoy the game and understand what is going on. But if you can go to a game at Engelstad and not realize that 50% of that crowd has no clue what's going on with the game, or how they have ruined the atmosphere of UND hockey, I feel sorry for you. I hated sitting at the Canadian World Junior games because it made me realize what that arena really could be like. Loud, rowdy, a real hockey atmosphere like the old Englestad. So sorry, I have a chip on my shoulder because of how money talks more than the people that matter at that arena. I never said anyone was 'stupid or unable to understand the game' if they have never played, I did not intend that. What I did, and still do, intend to say is that if you have never played the game I do not expect you to understand the unwritten rules of the game as they work on the ice. Nice attempt to get everyone on your side though. Actually, T-bone, I do get it. You're pissed because you got on the otherside of the argument and had nothing good to say, so you had to resort to grammar correction, and personal insults. I understand perfectly. I wouldn't call it venom, Triouxper, more like weaksauce... Infantile I can completely agree with however.