San Diego @ UND 9/21/24

[Nodak78]

53 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

The current QB situation has looked awful so far, but to answer your question, we beat NDSU by 25 points, completing 9 passes for 118 yards. San Diego was 5 completions for 159 yards.

Over 12 yards per attempt.

[gundy1124]

3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

remember when mustard moved from d2 bball to d2 football to the nfl

wonder if TT could've done something like that...

all our te's look like fullbacks and h back which is fine but having a 6'7 or 6'8 guy with good hands at TE would be awesome but i guess fruchte doesn't use the te that much like danny

From many sources - TE U as a team has 4 receptions for 23 yards.  Yeah-Yah!!  I think all the TEs the past 20 years have buyer's remorse.  Block your tail off for 5 years and we'll give you 1 Make-a-Wish Foundation reception on Senior Day.  

[Nodak78]

On 9/22/2024 at 10:43 PM, zonadub said:

I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…

 

Would someone who knows please explain how a QB with a 58% completion rate and more interceptions than TDs has a QB Rating of 111.41.

Not trolling, just really want to know what goes into the rating criteria.

thanks in advance.

I found this.

What is the formula for the NCAA QBR?

 

 

The NCAA formula is: [ { (8.4 * yards) + (330 * touchdowns) - (200 * interceptions) + (100 * completions) } / attempts ]. In 1979, when the NCAA developed the passing efficiency formula, they used average statistics from the previous 14 seasons of two-platoon football (which started in 1965).

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

From many sources - TE U as a team has 4 receptions for 23 yards.  Yeah-Yah!!  I think all the TEs the past 20 years have buyer's remorse.  Block your tail off for 5 years and we'll give you 1 Make-a-Wish Foundation reception on Senior Day.  

Alex Cloyd was wasted. He was an all American level talent.

[zonadub]

4 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

I found this.

What is the formula for the NCAA QBR?

 

 

The NCAA formula is: [ { (8.4 * yards) + (330 * touchdowns) - (200 * interceptions) + (100 * completions) } / attempts ]. In 1979, when the NCAA developed the passing efficiency formula, they used average statistics from the previous 14 seasons of two-platoon football (which started in 1965).

Thanks for the information Nodak78. The formula works.

Rhetorical questions would be… is the NFL formula the same (NFL QBs like Rodgers seldom had a rating over 100) and what would Schuster’s rating be? Braden Hansen?

These statistics would suggest that Romfo is a better than average QB, and would not be the worst in the MVFC or in the history of UND QBs. (Disclaimer: iirc, my first Econ class included a book called How to Lie with Statistics - forgot the professor’s name)

[Nodak78]

6 hours ago, zonadub said:

Thanks for the information Nodak78. The formula works.

Rhetorical questions would be… is the NFL formula the same (NFL QBs like Rodgers seldom had a rating over 100) and what would Schuster’s rating be? Braden Hansen?

These statistics would suggest that Romfo is a better than average QB, and would not be the worst in the MVFC or in the history of UND QBs. (Disclaimer: iirc, my first Econ class included a book called How to Lie with Statistics - forgot the professor’s name)

Yes I remember that book.

[UND-FB-FAN]

21 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I know everyone is hot on the new OC, and for good reason, but let’s maybe put the pitchforks down for Danny. I have major gripes with how Danny called certain situations, the entire Sac playoff game for instance, but do keep in mind that in the red zone he was an absolute assassin. Fruechte could take a page out of that book IMO. We’ve had to settle for too many short fgs. Against top teams that will bite us. Other than that I’ve been very impressed. 

Danny Freund left UND for South Dakota State, a direct UND rival, which facilitated an exit of some UND players. That hurts, and I’ll admit I was definitely critical of the situation. However, it is also okay to be hot on the new UND OC Fruechte and objectively compare the two and perhaps give the early edge to Fruechte. It’s only been 4 games, much more to come. It’s also not fair to Fruechte to be too critical given what he has to work with at QB, so need to wait until year 2 to see what the QB position and depth evolves into. Also, some 4th downs in red zone could perhaps be considered “go” territory but yet UND settles for FG - that’s as much up to HC as OC. Ultimately, though, you’re right in that red zone offense is key, and needs to be better. To give credit where credit is due, though, third down is the money down; and Fruechte has been damn good there considering what he has been working with in a small school, small guy QB in Romfo. The third and long conversion throw by Romfo late in the Montana game was a critical conversion not enough people are talking about. Major props overall are warranted to both Fruechte and Romfo, considering Freund left UND out to dry at that those positions (OC, QB, and QB coach) and UND could easily be much worse than they are right now.  

[cpa_guy]

7 hours ago, zonadub said:

Thanks for the information Nodak78. The formula works.

Rhetorical questions would be… is the NFL formula the same (NFL QBs like Rodgers seldom had a rating over 100) and what would Schuster’s rating be? Braden Hansen?

These statistics would suggest that Romfo is a better than average QB, and would not be the worst in the MVFC or in the history of UND QBs. (Disclaimer: iirc, my first Econ class included a book called How to Lie with Statistics - forgot the professor’s name)

Nope, Romfo is not better than average based on passing efficiency. His rating of 111.41 currently ranks him 91 of 112 rated passers in the FCS according to NCAA.com.

[gfhockey]

Haven’t seen to many trick plays which is good

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, cpa_guy said:

Nope, Romfo is not better than average based on passing efficiency. His rating of 111.41 currently ranks him 91 of 112 rated passers in the FCS according to NCAA.com.

....but he's "a small school, small guy" ND kid so we can overlook the numbers.

[siouxfan512]

1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

Haven’t seen to many trick plays which is good

Certainly can't rely on them as often as we were. They are kind of fun when they are sprinkled in (AND WHEN THEY WORK).

But I agree, it is nice to not have an offense that is heavy on those.

[F'n Hawks]

23 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

Certainly can't rely on them as often as we were. They are kind of fun when they are sprinkled in (AND WHEN THEY WORK).

But I agree, it is nice to not have an offense that is heavy on those.

Within the next couple weeks I could see one working in a big moment.

[wheelsup]

Danny was a very good OC.  He was such a big upgrade from the prior OC that its not even comparable.  My only real complaint with him was that he tended to rely too much on trick plays for my liking and particularly in the last year could have been more successful by leaning into the running game.

Fruechte has been very good so far, particularly with his focus on the teams offensive mindset and strength.. hopefully he continues to improve and can develop a more balanced attack.

I know people dont like to give Bubba credit but the recruitment of Fruechte and Olson seem like very positive improvements to the team in a time that it could have been a disaster.

Finally, if anyone really wanted Danny as a future HC candidate/Bubba replacement for UND.. a stint at a successful program like SDSU will make him more qualified rather than less qualified in my book.

[shep]

Why is everyone so down on trick plays. Every time it was successful it brought the crowd into the game and even on one occasion landed on Sports Center. That's good exposure 

Plus I bet there were less TP's than people think. I can't recall any last season.

[siouxfan512]

1 hour ago, shep said:

Why is everyone so down on trick plays. Every time it was successful it brought the crowd into the game and even on one occasion landed on Sports Center. That's good exposure 

Plus I bet there were less TP's than people think. I can't recall any last season.

Not down on them, but they can't be a staple of your offense, or they shouldn't be. Pull out trick plays too often and the defense starts looking for them. I think we had a few fleaflickers that got snuffed out last year. Maybe protection just wasn't good enough, or maybe the defense knew what was coming.

I would never disagree that they are fun when unexpected and certainly when they work. My favorite misdirection play was Q lined up for the tush push on 4th and 1. Everyone knows what he is going to do ... then a quick pitch to skokna ...4th and 1 and we ran for a bunch!

These plays have their place, just not all the time. Of course in our offense, throwing to a TE could be considered a trick play. 

[sioux24/7]

I’m probably one of the bigger Danny backers on here and it will take some time for me to back Fruechte like that. I do like what I see from him but we have to pickup the passing game and everyone knows that. Also have to give Fruechte a bit of grace to get his QB in here that is best at operating his offense. 

[UND1983]

Danny really didn't run that many trick plays.  They would go games without running any.  He just dressed up his plays with motions and such that made it seem wild

[Nodak78]

34 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Danny really didn't run that many trick plays.  They would go games without running any.  He just dressed up his plays with motions and such that made it seem wild

I really liked Dan as OC but I think he changed personnel to often.  Slowed the game.  I really like the speed of the game this year and changing the plays on the line.  You can see it on rushing.  Nobody thought we could run the ball like we have this year.  Really helped our defense like kelly said.

[gfhockey]

2 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

I’m probably one of the bigger Danny backers on here and it will take some time for me to back Fruechte like that. I do like what I see from him but we have to pickup the passing game and everyone knows that. Also have to give Fruechte a bit of grace to get his QB in here that is best at operating his offense. 

Fruend left us bare in the qb room

[Sioux94]

13 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Fruend left us bare in the qb room

We were all pretty excited when we got Feeney, and even more excited when we got Jerry. I'm not convinced yet that either of them were busts....nor can't be good D1 QB's, particularly Jerry. 

[UND1983]

Danny definitely didn't recruit QB's very well at all

[shep]

29 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Danny definitely didn't recruit QB's very well at all

At least a quarter of the posters here seem to think Dan Marino is withering away on the bench.

I'd say that's good recruiting.

[UND-FB-FAN]

10 hours ago, shep said:

At least a quarter of the posters here seem to think Dan Marino is withering away on the bench.

I'd say that's good recruiting.

At least a quarter of the posters here are therefore wrong …

The most amateur take in all of football is the thought that the back-up quarterback is the second coming …

TOO much Friday Night Lights or Varsity Blues or something (although both great films/series)… 

[FSSD]

Given the level of QB play that we have seen this year.  I think it is OK to question things and part of that is asking about the backup.  It is very clear that QB play has been inconsistent and defenses are going to adjust - the running game is going to suffer.  But, I have seen no improvement so far this year.  The timing looks off, short hop passes, passes that sail, missed open receivers everything looks off.  I hope we seen significant improvements in those areas this week.

[Oxbow6]

12 hours ago, shep said:

At least a quarter of the posters here seem to think Dan Marino is withering away on the bench.

I'd say that's good recruiting.

So does that anology make the starter Bryce Young??