School Shooting In Red Lake Minnesota

[Cratter]

http://www.wtvo.com/Global/story.asp?S=3106968

[jloos]

http://www.wtvo.com/Global/story.asp?S=3106968

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Was it Red Lake or Red Lake Falls? I'm assuming Red Lake if the FBI was called in - I believe it is on a reservation.

[bisonguy]

Was it Red Lake or Red Lake Falls? I'm assuming Red Lake if the FBI was called in - I believe it is on a reservation.

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Red Lake is correct.

[BringDeanBack]

Red Lake is correct.

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I have business that takes me to Red Lake about four times a year. It reminds one of a third world country with the poverty that exists there. Most of the people that I have encountered have been very nice but I never feel very safe there, mainly because it sure seems like a lot of bad things happen there.

[AZSIOUX]

being from bemidji i am familiar with red lake. tough area....this is sad...heres another link

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=602055

[Skate_For_State]

MSN story and video of the shooting

[#1siouxfan22]

Sad to hear about, that hits close to home.

[Cratter]

Good thing they had a metal detector and a guard.

[Smoggy]

Good thing they had a metal detector and a guard.   

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Metal detector won't protect you from guns, but I'm sure they have a big problem with knives.

The security guards aren't equipped for something like this. They are there for discipline reasons. Rooming hallways and picking up truant kids, breaking up fights, and just getting troublesome kids out of the room.

I am curious if the guard was wearing a flak jacket. When I was in San Bernardino, they did. At that school they had shootings in the past and even last year a parent showed up waving a gun while I was nearby.

The school I work at now in Palmdale (left S.B. for obvious reasons) has many more students and many more security guards, but none wear flak jackets. Though we do have an LA County Sheriff that is at our school almost all day long.

[siouxnami]

This is incredibly sad.

I visited a third world nation this year (Tanzania in East Africa) and let me say the the Red Lake Indian Reservation is far worse off. In Tanzania, people are happy, food is plentiful, and the people see a better future.

Part of my ansestry is that of a Native American, and it is painful to see the poverty, abuses, destruction and neglect that persists on Indian reservations nation wide. What happened in Red Lake is sad but what is worse is that the underlying situation that leads to a instance like this has not, and will not be addressed. This incident is every bit as bad a Columbine, but will never be remembered or addressed like that tragedy because Red Lake is not a rich white suburb like Littleton.

Ironically, I got a note in the mail today, from some PAC telling me to oppose a casino in the Twin Cities that will direct much of the profits to rural Minnesota Indian reservations. People don't realize that the Casino's that do exist in the Twin Cities are run by two tribes with a very small membership, while the larger tribes in Minnesota don't see much revenue. I would support this initative or any anything else that could improve Red Lake or Leach Lake or other impoverished peoples.

When I travel to hockey games to watch the Sioux, I often see the protesters that complain about the name and how it needs to be changed. Most these people are white and have never spent a day on a reservation in their lives. What they don't realize is that anything that presents Native Americans in a positive light is far better than the alternative of exclusive negative press. If these protesters really cared about Native Americans there is so many better activities that they could partake in. But they do not.

As always I respect the University of North Dakota as one of the few institutions that actually has done things to improve life on reservations. A strong educator of Native American doctors for example.

This is yet another sad, sad day for Native Americans. And the fact that conditions will not change, and this will be forgotten make it a sad day for everyone.

[gr8sk8er]

This is incredibly sad. 

I visited a third world nation this year (Tanzania in East Africa) and let me say the the Red Lake Indian Reservation is far worse off.  In Tanzania, people are happy, food is plentiful, and the people see a better future.

Part of my ansestry is that of a Native American, and it is painful to see the poverty, abuses, destruction and neglect that persists on Indian reservations nation wide.  What happened in Red Lake is sad but what is worse is that the underlying situation that leads to a instance like this has not, and will not be addressed.  This incident is every bit as bad a Columbine, but will never be remembered or addressed like that tragedy because Red Lake is not a rich white suburb like Littleton.

Ironically, I got a note in the mail today, from some PAC telling me to oppose a casino in the Twin Cities that will direct much of the profits to rural Minnesota Indian reservations.  People don't realize that the Casino's that do exist in the Twin Cities are run by two tribes with a very small membership, while the larger tribes in Minnesota don't see much revenue.  I would support this initative or any anything else that could improve Red Lake or Leach Lake or other impoverished peoples.

When I travel to hockey games to watch the Sioux, I often see the protesters that complain about the name and how it needs to be changed.  Most these people are white and have never spent a day on a reservation in their lives.  What they don't realize is that anything that presents Native Americans in a positive light is far better than the alternative of exclusive negative press.  If these protesters really cared about Native Americans there is so many better activities that they could partake in.  But they do not.

As always I respect the University of North Dakota as one of the few institutions that actually has done things to improve life on reservations.  A strong educator of Native American doctors for example.

This is yet another sad, sad day for Native Americans.  And the fact that conditions will not change, and this will be forgotten make it a sad day for everyone.

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I wonder when schools,parents,friends, classmates and coaches will start picking on some of the signs of trouble going on with the student. I know he had a history of it, but obvious cries for help and a need for assistance had to have been shown. It seems as though some of the violence is taming down as programs against bullying are increasing. It is a tough battle that we must continue to find a solution for before it is one of our classmates, friends, brothers, sisters, or child getting hurt or being the gunman/gunwoman.

[BisonMav]

This is incredibly sad. 

Ironically, I got a note in the mail today, from some PAC telling me to oppose a casino in the Twin Cities that will direct much of the profits to rural Minnesota Indian reservations.  People don't realize that the Casino's that do exist in the Twin Cities are run by two tribes with a very small membership, while the larger tribes in Minnesota don't see much revenue.  I would support this initative or any anything else that could improve Red Lake or Leach Lake or other impoverished peoples.

I am in very much favor of the Twin Cities Casino plans that would benefit out-state tribes. Mystic Lake members are rumored to get $100,000 per month, Treasure Island $10,000 per month. I think they could survive on half that in the Mystic Lake case.

[jloos]

This is incredibly sad. 

I visited a third world nation this year (Tanzania in East Africa) and let me say the the Red Lake Indian Reservation is far worse off.  In Tanzania, people are happy, food is plentiful, and the people see a better future.

Part of my ansestry is that of a Native American, and it is painful to see the poverty, abuses, destruction and neglect that persists on Indian reservations nation wide.  What happened in Red Lake is sad but what is worse is that the underlying situation that leads to a instance like this has not, and will not be addressed.  This incident is every bit as bad a Columbine, but will never be remembered or addressed like that tragedy because Red Lake is not a rich white suburb like Littleton.

Ironically, I got a note in the mail today, from some PAC telling me to oppose a casino in the Twin Cities that will direct much of the profits to rural Minnesota Indian reservations.  People don't realize that the Casino's that do exist in the Twin Cities are run by two tribes with a very small membership, while the larger tribes in Minnesota don't see much revenue.  I would support this initative or any anything else that could improve Red Lake or Leach Lake or other impoverished peoples.

When I travel to hockey games to watch the Sioux, I often see the protesters that complain about the name and how it needs to be changed.  Most these people are white and have never spent a day on a reservation in their lives.  What they don't realize is that anything that presents Native Americans in a positive light is far better than the alternative of exclusive negative press.  If these protesters really cared about Native Americans there is so many better activities that they could partake in.  But they do not.

As always I respect the University of North Dakota as one of the few institutions that actually has done things to improve life on reservations.  A strong educator of Native American doctors for example.

This is yet another sad, sad day for Native Americans.  And the fact that conditions will not change, and this will be forgotten make it a sad day for everyone.

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Very well put siouxnami.

What also upsets me is the way Red Lake is being portrayed as the typical reservation. They are unlike the rest of the reservations in MN - they are the only closed one. All reservations have some problems, but Red Lake is by far the worse in this area (ND/MN). Pine Ridge in SD is the only one I've been to that is anywhere near as bad.

The members of the Tribe Mystic Lake is on are all millionaires. This is not an exaggeration - they are filthy rich and hate to share. The Prairie Island tribe isn't as well off, but I imagine each member still gets at least $50-100K per year from the casino. If they really wanted to help Native Americans they would be open to sharing their profits - instead they have become greedy corporate fatcats.

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[siouxnami]

Plus that amount is put into trust at birth - when they turn 18 they get a windfall. 

The amount they get bi-monthly changes but - $36K sounds about right for the average.  Just for the fun of it that = $432,000 per year.  Someone under 18 right now is looking at getting well over $8,000,000 when they turn 18 (assuming they were enrolled at birth). 

Yes, but inflation...

[iceberg]

not the full amount is put in...its a lot less.

when they turn 18, they get 1 million of it

when they turn 25, they get another million of it

then they get the normal 36K biweekly

Quite interesting seeing 18 years old with Hummers in the parking lot at the high school.

[jloos]

not the full amount is put in...its a lot less.

when they turn 18, they get 1 million of it

when they turn 25, they get another million of it

then they get the normal 36K biweekly

Quite interesting seeing 18 years old with Hummers in the parking lot at the high school.

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I just assumed they put the entire amount in - my bad. Getting born into that Tribe is literally like winning the lottery. My aunt and uncle live in Prior Lake - my cousins went to HS with many of the members.

[iceberg]

I just assumed they put the entire amount in - my bad. Getting born into that Tribe is literally like winning the lottery. My aunt and uncle live in Prior Lake - my cousins went to HS with many of the members.

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you got that right....might as well try to win the lottery

My uncle (actually..no longer is) actually had a job outside of the tribe. Was a 4th generation pig farmer in Shakopee

[fightonsioux]

It will be interesting to see how Dorreen Yellow Bird will blame the shootings on the Sioux nickname.

In her column on March 19, she blamed the Sioux nickname for alcohol abuse and meth addiction among Native American youth. Why stop there. Let's blame the Sioux nickname for every problem Native American youth have.

[BringDeanBack]

It will be interesting to see how Dorreen Yellow Bird will blame the shootings on the Sioux nickname.

In her column on March 19, she blamed the Sioux nickname for alcohol abuse and meth addiction among Native American youth. Why stop there. Let's blame the Sioux nickname for every problem Native American youth have.

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I feel sympathy towards the plight of native americans, especially the children killed at this shooting. They never had a chance to be successful because of one disturbed kid with a gun. However, I will never feel guilty for the plight of native americans. In my opinion, many of the reservations have the tools or means to be successful but due to corruption, they can never flourish. Most of this corruption is by members of tribal councils and other leadership positions. the white man can no longer be blamed. Tribes need to look at themselves and give the boot to corrupt members that steal from their own people. The white man does not throw the rocks through the windows of most new buildings on the reservations. the white man did not overfish the red lake robbing it of it's walleye. It is not because of the white man, that Red Lake reservation needs a correctional facility bigger than what the entire county of grand forks needs.

Red lake reservation has absolutely beautiful natural resources. Why can't they utilize that beauty and build a resort of some sort? The casino that is there now is a dump. Build a nice resort/casino right smack dab on the Red Lake. Build a golf course to go with it. Have guided hunting during the hunting season. Set up a camp where people can visit and learn about the culture. They could teach people how to make jewelry, blankets, and moccasins. Change has got to start from within.

Just my thoughts.

[ESPNInsider]

I feel sympathy towards the plight of native americans, especially the children killed at this shooting. They never had a chance to be successful because of one disturbed kid with a gun. However, I will never feel guilty for the plight of native americans. In my opinion, many of the reservations have the tools or means to be successful but due to corruption, they can never flourish. Most of this corruption is by members of tribal councils and other leadership positions. the white man can no longer be blamed. Tribes need to look at themselves and give the boot to corrupt members that steal from their own people. The white man does not throw the rocks through the windows of most new buildings on the reservations. the white man did not overfish the red lake robbing it of it's walleye. It is not because of the white man, that Red Lake reservation needs a correctional facility bigger than what the entire county of grand forks needs.

Red lake reservation has absolutely beautiful natural resources. Why can't they utilize that beauty and build a resort of some sort? The casino that is there now is a dump. Build a nice resort/casino right smack dab on the Red Lake. Build a golf course to go with it. Have guided hunting during the hunting season. Set up a camp where people can visit and learn about the culture. They could teach people how to make jewelry, blankets, and moccasins. Change has got to start from within.

Just my thoughts.

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Or just let them in on the cash cow we call "Mystic Lake"!

[BisonMav]

Plus that amount is put into trust at birth - when they turn 18 they get a windfall. 

The amount they get bi-monthly changes but - $36K sounds about right for the average.  Just for the fun of it that = $432,000 per year.  Someone under 18 right now is looking at getting well over $8,000,000 when they turn 18 (assuming they were enrolled at birth).

$36K bi-weekly is $78,000 per month, $936,000 per year.

I know about 10 years ago, the Treasure Island parents would get $500 per month to raise the kids until they are 18. The rest went into a trust fund.