CoteauRinkRat Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 MafiaMan, We definitely think alike on this issue. I hope he continues to meet the expectations people have of him in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Here's another question: With Parise gone, will Brandon Bochenski be remembered as one of the all-time greats in Sioux history? If he stays and nobody else leaves, he'll be in position to do that. He's already tied for 19th in all-time scoring. Another 60-point season would put him in the top five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 To gain entrance to the list of Sioux greats, you have to have been part of winning it all (IMO). Lots of names from the 79-83 teams, as well as 97-2001. Can't speak for the earlier teams, since I wasn't around then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I put Parise right behind the great Wes Dorey and Jeff Yurecko, but a notch above Tom Philion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I put Parise right behind the great Wes Dorey and Jeff Yurecko, but a notch above Tom Philion I know that you're trying to be funny, but Wes Dorey was actually a pretty good player, although he never fully lived up to expectations. If you knew the full story on Wes, you wouldn't make jokes about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I know that you're trying to be funny, but Wes Dorey was actually a pretty good player, although he never fully lived up to expectations. If you knew the full story on Wes, you wouldn't make jokes about him. Lighten up, Francais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Lighten up, Francais. Okay. It's nice to see that all-time Gopher great Dave Spehar can find work these day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 if you knew the real story of the Spehar family - you wouldn't make fun PCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 And if you knew what Wes Dorey lived through in college you'd clam up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Fine, replace Wes Dorey with Marc Ranfranz...the point is Parise was in and out - saying he was among the best Sioux players ever is like saying Gretzky was one of the best Blues ever. It was just a stop on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Marc Ranfranz is playing in the NHL? I guess I missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Go home Basil, the season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 That pic and Spehar reference made me laugh out loud. My boss came into my office wondering what was so funny. Nice going, PCM. Where does Justin Duberman rank on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Justin Duberman don't make fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Where does Justin Duberman rank on the list? He was tied for 58th at the start of the season with 105 points. I assume that he's moved down because Bochenski, Parise and Lundbohm all moved up on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I had several classes with Duberman when I was in college. The guy thought pretty highly of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm567b27 Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I had several classes with Duberman when I was in college. The guy thought pretty highly of himself. Think I was in some of those in Gamble hall. Yeah I second that. Thought VERY highly of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm567b27 Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 That pic and Spehar reference made me laugh out loud. My boss came into my office wondering what was so funny. Nice going, PCM. Where does Justin Duberman rank on the list? Speaking of great guys....Russ Romaniuk....low key...down to earth...I had about 10 classes with him.....and what a scoring machine. Didn't he notch 40 goals one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 CFM - I was an accounting major and spent PLENTY of time in Gamble Hall from 88-92. Good times...not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Romaniuk, Bobyck, Herter, Hakstol...they had such promise on the 1988-1989 team. I enjoyed watching Brent Bobyck glide on the ice back then. What an awesome player he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm567b27 Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Romaniuk, Bobyck, Herter, Hakstol...they had such promise on the 1988-1989 team. I enjoyed watching Brent Bobyck glide on the ice back then. What an awesome player he was. Throw in the phenom season T. Couture had in net one year (was it 91?). Back in the day...good times. Romaniuk used to drive this early 70's puke green chevy impala around campus..What a bomber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelboy Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Another great player I thought was Keven Maxwell he was sure exciting, didn't he leave early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Tony Couture. Yea, he had an awesome run going there. They made the NCAA's in 1989-90, spanked BU in the first game of their three-game tilt, then BU slopped up the ice to slow down the Sioux and they won the next two games to advance in the tournament. It was all downhill after that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Hey...just made my 100th post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmidtdoggydog Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 IMO, Parise is behind many players in terms of where he will rank as a COLLEGE player, such as Taylor, Smail, T. Murray, Sykes, Patrick, Hrkac, Joyce, S. Johnson, G. Johnson, Blake, Panzer, Goehring, among others. That is a list of great players, but if the true measure of greatness is national championships, which appears to be the sentiment of many on this board, then why is Greg Johnson included on the list? (note: I was friends with Greg in college and I am not bagging on him because he is a good guy and a great hockey player). GJ never won a national championship. In fact, during his four years in GF, UND didn't win a league championship or a WCHA playoff championship. And to top it off UND went 29-46-2 his last two seasons - definitely not a record associated with greatness. So, the question remains, why is he on the list? Is it because: he played four years at UND he is the all-time leading scorer in UND's history he is the all-time WCHA leader in assists he represented Canada at the World Juniors he played with at least ten other guys that went on to play in the NHL he was a three-time Hobey Baker finalist he was a three-time All-American he succeeded despite the horrible teams he was on his jr. and sr. years he is still playing in the NHL and doing quite well Because if these are the reasons he is on the list, then I understand. But, if greatness is measured by championships then he belongs nowhere near the list. In fact, Parise's MacNaughton would put him above GJ on the list. If greatness is measured by championships, then simple logic would dictate that the 13 or so players that have won TWO national championships while at UND would be at the top of the list of great players. But, despite what Brad Defauw, Peter Armbrust, Tim O'Connell, Jason Ulmer and their two championships, as an example, meant to the program, nobody would say that they are the greatest players in UND's history. If the true measure of greatness is all-around hockey ability, hockey sense, hockey instincts, hockey vision, combined with the notoriety that a player brings to themself and the program during their tenure at UND and the years after, then Zach Parise, in my opinion, takes a backseat to no one. End of rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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