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How to screw up a logo - some of these are opposites of the five success factors you already posted, and I'm no branding expert but: - Isn't distinctive enough - UNDs current logo has some people thinking Notre Dame - Doesn't really match the team name - like if you go with the "Fighting Artichokes" as your team name, the logo has to have a sense of humor, too. - Is too detailed or complicated to be used in multiple ways. Has to look good on t-shirts, letterhead, helmets, billboards, etc. Simple is good. - A university logo also has to look as good on a football helmet as it does on a volleyball uni or a hockey sweater. You probably need multiple logos for different uses that all have common elements - color, font, image, etc. - that tie them all together. - Too focused on a mascot. The Michigan M, the Wisconsin W, the Gopher M are all instantly recognizable to fans without any hint of a mascot. Having both the mascot image and an iconic alphabetical logo gives lots of flexibility.

Pink does look pretty good with gray...

Gray is the trendy color, but I think it's a fad that'll pass pretty quickly. Although some of the designs using gray are pretty cool, I'm not in favor of it. Besides, the novelty of it has already started to fade - now it's just another "me too" copycat trend that's gone from edgy to mainstream to over-saturation. IMHO, of course.

Oh, I'm with you. The intent was clear. But apparently there was enough of an opening to make some schools think they had a shot at getting athletic funds out of the deal. It wasn't just one. And because it wasn't explicitly prohibited, it somehow worked. This is just the sort of stuff that should drive taxpayers absolutely crazy.

As much as I think that using the grant money for athletic scholarships is shady and certainly against the spirit of the matching funds program, this falls under the category of, "You don't get what you don't ask for." UND chose to abide by the spirit of the law, while others didn't. They took advantage of vague language on the chance that their requests would go through, and they did. Now, it'd be a mess - and a political fight - to fix it. The grants have been approved - so getting that money back would be difficult. And you can't really go to UND and others that didn't get athletic scholarship money out of the program and hand them a check. All you can do is fix it going forward - and maybe approve a few extra bucks for those that took the high road the first time.

Reminds me of two Lakeville North guys that were UND recruits - Greg Menard (NDSU) and Tristyn Hanson (Air Force). If he's close to either one, he's a great pickup for us.

Thanks! I assumed it was a misprint - the regulars on this board are too thorough to miss something like that.

The St. Paul Pioneer Press shows a listing of all the 2015 commits from MN. They're showing a UND commit named Mike Junker from Hastings. I can't find any reference to him committing anywhere, least of all UND. Anyone have any info on him? Or is it a misprint? http://www.twincities.com/prep/ci_27445196/high-schools-national-signing-day

On another subject, here's some background on the Harry Momoh flipping to Wyoming story, from the StarTribune web site: Momoh first heard from Wyoming in his sophomore year, when Cowboys coach Craig Boll was in his final season at North Dakota State. “They liked me then, and the coach always kept in touch,” he said. But Momoh wasn’t able to commit to Wyoming until he improved his grades and earned a sufficient ACT score. He did both and gave a late verbal commitment to Wyoming on Sunday. Here's the link: http://www.mnfootballhub.com/news_article/show/471463

Since it's off topic, I'll be brief: It seemed like an odd move to me. Almost a lateral move, rather than an obvious step up.

I think I remember reading that Georges got hurt in 2014 preseason camp, and that when he was cleared to play he didn't really ever get a spot in the lineup. Apparently that made him decide to move on. I do know that the coaches were really excited to get him here.

Lakeville North LB and UND offeree Tristyn Hanson has committed to Air Force.

If you're at all aware of how recruiting works, you know that each school operates on their own schedule and evaluates talent differently. A number of UNDs commits committed quite early, perhaps before other schools stepped up. Sometimes it is true that the early bird gets the worm. I also know for a fact that some kids soured on your program before offers were being made. It may come as a surprise to you, but not every kid feels the way you do about your school, your community, your coaching staff, etc. As for the accuracy of the Gopher Hole list, all I can say is that it's well known in MN and the guys that run it are pretty plugged in. Like anything there are probably some errors or omissions but on the whole it's pretty accurate.

I saw Momoh play twice this year, when his Hopkins team matched up against Carl Engwall (commit) and Tristyn Hanson (offeree) and Lakeville North. The kid can play. He's strong, fast, and very quick off the ball. They moved him all over the field on defense - but generally near the line of scrimmage. Good tackler, and takes smart routes to the ball. His height will be a factor if he stays at LB, but I wouldn't rule him out just because of that. I didn't really see him in pass coverage, so I can't comment on his ability there. North just didn't throw that much when they played Hopkins. Frankly, I think he'd be a terror on special teams in addition to his play on D. He's one of those guys that makes an impact almost every time he steps on the field.

I know I'm new to these boards, but the pissing matches between the UND fans and NDSU trolls hast gotten old REALLY fast. Seriously...

I would expect so. Those scholarships are way too valuable to have non-performers taking up space. I just have to wonder whether OSU coaches might be a little afraid they made a mistake.

It will be interesting to see how this year's "top player from Minnesota" pans out at Ohio State. He's a kid that has the physical tools to be dominant, but when you watch him on film the lack of effort is appalling. He didn't make any All-Metro teams and was 2nd team all-state - reflecting that despite all the Rivals and ESPN hype, the coaches and media members that voted didn't think too highly of him. Maybe Urban Meyer will make a player out of him, but after seeing him play a few times, I wouldn't want him on any team I was rooting for. As for the other top MN recruits - I think the Gophers were maybe just a year or two away from keeping those kids. Even though there's clearly positive momentum in that program, Goldy's level of success this year was a bit of a surprise to many. If they can sustain it, Oregon and Wisconsin and other programs won't look quite so sexy any more. Sorry for wandering off the topic of this thread, but I couldn't resist.

Interesting look, but it doesn't seem quite right. Grand Forks is listed as #40 overall, but the #42 small city. Typo?

Talking to the kids in our area that have been recruited by NDSU and other MVFC and Big Sky schools, it'd be a lie to say that the success 'SU has had doesn't make a good first impression. They have a great story to tell and they do it pretty well. In the end, though, the decisions about where to sign were based on the schools, the coaching staffs, and the relationships they'd developed during the recruiting process. The sizzle of national TV audiences only lasts so long - ultimately it's the steak that makes a recruit choose one school over another.

Tweet from Coach Maurice: If you build it they will come! Green and White sighting in Council Bluffs,Iowa. Welcome to the family. #Hands #Tuff #ShoelessJoeJax 12:58 PM - 15 Dec 2014

Based on a tweet from Kevin Maurice it looks like Heidlebaugh has committed.

Details were sketchy, but I heard his name was Clive and he was from the U. of Arizona. I didn't see anyone with that name on the 2014 roster; but there was a Clive Georges from Key West on the 2013 Wildcats roster. That's got to be him.

I'm hearing it's a receiver out of Key West HS, and not one of the twins.

Jesse Cardenas - He's undecided at this point. Has FCS offers from Air Force, New Mexico, and Eastern Michigan. Wyoming is also sniffing around a little bit. His twin brother, Jordan, is also getting some looks from D1 schools. I know they went to the UNI/NDSU game and have visited there together. The Lakeville North defense was impressive and a lot of fun to watch. Play a 3-4 D that is pretty sophisticated for high school. With Engwall, the Cardenas brothers, and Tristyn Hanson they had 4 or 5 guys that are D1 potential and another 2-3 seniors that are definitely DII quality players. Until the semi-final game in the state playoffs, they never gave up more than 13 points in a game - and the starters really never gave up more than 10. That was a special group - I'll miss watching them.

Engwall and Santiago also made the Pioneer Press All-East Metro Team: http://www.twincities.com/prep/ci_26969745/pioneer-press-all-east-metro-high-school-football, announced on Wednesday.