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So, in other words, we are wearing something to protect others. Does that align with personal freedom?

Why am I required to wear clothes in public?

No, I started when the experts coalesced on that being our best bet for slowing down the virus. And they were right, as everyone (incl Trump) now realizes. Delaying the impacts of COVID by using face masks allows researchers to come together on best plans for treatment. We’ve already seen that better and more informed decisions which have very likely helped to lower the death rate of those who are hospitalized.

Antifa causes some property damage. Anti-maskers kill people. Easy distinction.

Anti-maskers are worse terrorists than Antifa.

That's good. Still, wear a mask when you are inside in public.

You must hate Trump now https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285299379746811915?s=20

I believe that Hayduke started with that language in response to the quoted post and others. Now, SIOUXFAN97 does seem to be about 10 years old in intellect, so it isn’t necessarily a smart move to craft responses to the dregs of society.

By the way, nobody has to guess or imagine what the Ds would do if they are in charge of the House/Senate/Presidency regarding voting. HR1 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1/text automatic voter registration ends partisan gerrymandering for federal elections funds for election security No voting for illegals. No voting for incarcerated felons.

Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics.

Maybe this will help: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/decriminalizing-illegal-border-crossing-what-does-it-mean-an-explainer-of-civil-vs-criminal-immigration-enforcement/ In late 2017, the Trump administration introduced its Zero Tolerance Policy, which encouraged DHS to refer all illegal crossings for prosecution and ordered DOJ attorneys to accept and prosecute these referrals. Although this policy had similarities to Operation Streamline, the measures targeted a different group of individuals arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border. Whereas Operation Streamline prosecuted single adult Mexican males who attempted to reenter the country illegally after being deported, Zero Tolerance targeted and separated thousands of families seeking asylum in the United States, as Customs and Border Protection referred adults to DOJ for prosecution while placing their accompanying children in Department of Health and Human Services custody. President Donald Trump suspended the policy in June 2018 in response to widespread criticism and litigation against the measure.

Unauthorized crossing of the border? I’m not sure I understand the question.

Ah, but decriminalization is NOT open borders. Deportations under administrative law would continue. What you wouldn’t have is criminal cases, which was the root of the problem with splitting immigrant families up.

The reason why people on the left are so comfortable calling Trump-supporters cultists is precisely because of things like your post. You parrot talking points that I’m sure you got from the right-wing media without any critical thought at all into the issues. Open borders - can you point to the legislation or party platform calling for this? Sure, there are thought pieces around, but this is actually a Libertarian, small-government argument. Non-citizens voting - again, point to the legislation or party platform. There are some places in the country that allow non-citizen voting in municipal elections, but that is not being proposed at state or national levels. Felons voting - the main thrust of this has been regarding those that have served their sentence. In FL the voters overwhelmingly voted for this (including many Rs), but the state legislature has gone against the will of the voters. Some think that incarcerated felons should be able to vote. Somewhere along the line we as a country decided that was a right that could be taken away. Not everyone believes in that. So, to your main point, there is a lot more depth to these issues than you make it seem. And the idea that Democrats are importing people to make them D voters is indeed “fake news”.

I don't know. The businesses that are shut down are mainly in the same types of industries and have a common denominator of being places where people typically congregate inside in close proximity to each other. There is no inherent bias against small businesses. There has been some theorizing out there that any future rescue attempts should be very focused on the industries that are hurting the most, such as bars & restaurants and entertainment. Obviously, that also trickles to commercial real estate. What I don't understand is the call by some to lower the payroll tax. The big problem right now is unemployment, not the people who have jobs.

The post with multiple likes.

I've seen a couple of posts now that state that small businesses are not allowed to operate. Is that the case in ND right now?

Another big poll released today from NBC/WSJ. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6989473/200356-NBCWSJ-July-Poll-7-15-2020-Release.pdf This one is interesting because it has the congressional breakdown of only +4 for the Ds, and that would possibly put the House in play. However, it is also Biden +11. This is the main poll Q in my opinion, and aligns with other polls. 50% have completely ruled out voting for him. (ASKED IF NOT SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP) Q10A Even though you are not supporting Donald Trump now, what are the chances that you might support Trump in this year's presidential election--is there a fair chance that you might support him, a small chance, just a very slight chance, or no chance at all you might support him? + Fair chance you might support .................. 1 Small chance ............................................. 3 Very slight chance ................................... 6 No chance at all you might support........... 50 Not sure ................................................... - Currently supporting Trump....................... 40

Yeah, that conspiracy theory has been perplexing. There is little upside and a ton of downside to committing that kind of fraud. I’m sure across the country someone has done it, but there is no evidence it is widespread or exists at all.

The liberal bastion of Alabama is the latest to put a mask order in place.

Pretty good. 538 gives them a B+. Little bias either direction. Nope, specifically didn't say anything like that. I showed places where Trump supporters could be optimistic.

I think that there was a lot of confusion early on (Feb/March) which contributed to a very mixed bag of messages about mask-wearing (and surface contamination for that matter). When the hoarding started, I'm sure there was a level of concern about health professionals needing PPE, so given some prior research on the flu and the run on masks, the message was that the general public didn't need them. But once it was apparent how transmissible COVID was in closed settings, the recommendations changed. It was April when the CDC recommended mask wearing and everything has been pretty consistent since then. I'm not sure about Osterholm's comments, but he has been pretty alarmist so I take that with a grain of salt.

Interesting data from the new QU poll https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3661. They are good at polling, not so much with winning hockey National Championships Top line, Biden +11. Not different from many other polls. Good for Biden: Biden at or above 50% in all age ranges. That is a stunning reversal for the older set. Trump's rating in the 65+ crowd is 50% Disapprove Strongly. Maybe the COVID impact? 12% of people say they haven't heard enough about Biden to rate him favorably or not Do you think that Donald Trump is honest? 62% no/34% yes. Biden takes the lead (inside the Margin of Error) on the question of who will better handle the economy. Good for Trump: Biden only up 7% among Hispanics! That's much closer to where Bush Jr. was if I remember correctly. 38% say they haven't heard enough about the Tara Reade accusations to form an opinion Biden honesty question: 37% yes among the youngest, 54% yes among the oldest. Definitely the Bernie impact.

I don't know. We seem to have some pretty adamant anti-maskers in this thread! However, agree that overall this isn't going to make a dent in Walmart's bottom line.

I'm not sure how much the HHS/CDC thing is going to affect the public data. Most people/media aren't using the CDC data because it is time-lagged. Places like the COVID Tracking Project are scraping the data directly from the state websites. Now, if the states all of the sudden take their information down (like FL did for hospitalizations for a while), then I would be suspicious.