wxman91

You just said a lot of things that are contradictory or irrelevant. If they are incentivizing and testing asymptomatic students, then why is the positive rate so high? Are you really banking on errors for why ND and SD look so bad right now? If there were systematic errors, why are the positive tests geographically clustered? Your definition of “fine” is the biased opinion. By objective measures, ND has the worst case rate in the country and has had so for a while now.

I’d take some examples. That seems unlikely to me. Here is one example. A +10 Biden poll so probably high, but it shows the demographics. Black 89-8. Edit - the new Fox News poll was 80-14 Biden among Blacks

Your take keeps looking worse and worse the more I look at the data. You are suggesting that ND has higher number because it is testing more. The problem is that the state is testing more AND the positive test rate is high. If the numbers were simply due to testing the positivity rate would be quite low. Instead, ND has a 12% positive test rate (compared to 6% for VA and 8.5% for MN). ND is objectively doing really poorly. But evidently you have decided that killing off people with preexisting conditions is the price of doing business, so you do you.

Pew poll from a couple weeks ago. Very similar to 2016. I think it might be more accurate to say that Trump hasn’t lost ground with minorities like he has with White voters.

There has been rumblings that Kasich may end up in a Biden administration.

I think you are confusing statistics. Trump always had a decent Hispanic vote, especially the Cubans in FL. His total in 2016 nationwide was estimated at 28%.

From UND to the coastal elite. I’ve made it!

Biden is the nominee because Bernie ran when he shouldn’t have. Bernie has a dedicated minority following in the party with no real route to increasing support. But his presence snuffed out any other more realistic liberal candidate. I personally wish Sherrod Brown would have run, but Biden will do for four years.

You really can’t form a rational argument, can you.

Interesting point on the economy. GDP by state, Q2 ND -27.6% VA -27.0% And lest we think that this is solely because of oil+, SD’s was -28.8%. Study after study shows that the economy is primarily driven by the virus, not the government response. The absolute best thing for the economy is to beat back the virus.

That is a head-in-the-sand response that is very reminiscent of Trump stating that the US only looked bad because of testing, which is easily disputed by any statistical measure. Here’s my frustration, from the perspective of a lefty lib who doesn’t actually want people to die. COVID hit the large coastal metro areas hard early on. There was confusion about masks, testing, and treatment. There were likely a lot of avoidable fatalities. But over the course of the year the medical community figured it out and there is a playbook now. To see the rural states completely ignore this in the name of politics or a twisted definition of “freedom” is stunning.

I have a minor from UND, so maybe not. Perhaps my shorthand wasn’t communicated properly. That massive gap between the number of positive tests is not likely to be due to the difference in testing levels between ND and Fairfax County, VA. edit w/stats - out for a walk and can’t find the county-specific hospitalization or testing numbers Last 14 days: ND (750k population) - 12,000 cases, 124 deaths FFX (1.1m population) - 1,500 cases, 7 deaths

That’s strange, I must have been hallucinating going on a couple of weekend trips this year, enjoying our park system, going shopping, grabbing food from our open restaurants. But yes, I didn’t go to a rock concert this year. Of course, I haven’t been to one since 2005, so, eh.

Excess deaths. So it completely removes the whole testing aspect. The current COVID death count is an undercount, and will be corrected by modeling over time like the flu counts are.

Pretty confident. In my county there are more people than the entire population of ND. NDs count yesterday was >1300. Ours was 112. That is not a testing difference.

You brought up voter suppression and were called out on your incorrect statements. It is incumbent on you to provide instances of the media suppressing votes. I’m not going to bother looking up study after study that shows the cumulative impact of almost entirely republican efforts to make voting more difficult.

And masks.

I see the level of discussion hasn’t changed much.

Hey, maybe try pointing to an actual instance of where the media has reduced the vote.

When was there a lockdown where they forced you to congregate mask-free in a certain indoor public location?

Both of your claims here are unsubstantiated. Where is the evidence that polls are over sampling Ds? 2016? What about 2012 and 2018 when the polls were wrong the other direction? No states are called before polls have closed in that state. I can’t even recall the last time that happened. They barely leak the exits polls nowadays. Actual voter suppression is shown by hours-long voting lines, efforts to not count submitted ballots, and strict ID laws.

I haven’t been worried about surface transmission for a long time. But I can see how others might be sensitive to it. Prolonged indoor, mask-free exposure is by far the most efficient pathway. Thankfully, my area (VA burbs of DC) is doing well with COVID now.

RBG and Scalia both had deep, deep understanding of the Constitution and came up with different interpretations of cases all the time.

Hey dumpster fire participants. The Miller news sucked me back in, but don’t worry, I’ll step back out and let Hayduke meme his way through the thread. On COVID-19, no surprise at all that ND is struggling. I hope we’ve collectively put to bed the idea that it is no worse than the flu. At the year mark, we will be approaching 400k dead, which is over 10x the normal flu season. And we aren’t even in sniffing distance of herd immunity. I’m glad that a vaccine wasn’t rushed for election purposes but I do hope one is found to be safe and useful soon. The good part is that the measures taken this far (lockdowns, restrictions, masks) have allowed the medical community to come up with better treatment plans, and along with the shift to younger patients, the death rate is down. Not enough, but better. The resistance to mask wearing in some areas is still disappointing, and from a political perspective, has completely backfired (see: WI). Which takes us to the election. The challenger is very, very likely to win. In 2016, there were more undecideds due to the unfavorable personal ratings of both candidates and those voters broke, en masse, to the current President. There are comparatively few undecided voters this year. There are of course uncertainties due to the mail in vote, and election night is bound to be an unsatisfying event, but the consistency of the polling has been amazing. Of course, the only pause given to that is from certain outfits like Trafalgar/Rasmussen/Susquehanna who continue to show better results for the incumbent. Trafalgar is a particularly interesting case where they intentionally adjust their polls to account for a “shy” Trump voter. They point to results in 2016 as a reason, but most research disputes their conclusion, and in fact firms like Rasmussen performed poorly in 2018. Florida will be key to an early election night. They will have almost all of their votes counted. Without a win in FL, there is no realistic path to re-election for the President. If he does get FL, it is going to be a messy wait until AZ/GA and especially PA count their votes. Happy and safe Halloween to all. I will be doing a neighborhood parade with my daughter tonight and many people will be setting out candy bags. We’ve decorated several dozen as a fun way to change it up this year.

Reagan was a disaster for this country.