Frozen4sioux
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So your complaining that the the organization.... that is only in existence because of hockey.
Is too heavily focused on using the funds generated by hockey... on supporting hockey.
How, pray tell, do you believe this magic money would be coelessing out of the either and being made available to these "real" programs if hockey and REA were not here.
And to further destroy your fantasy.... you must believe that somehow GF would be packing a 20000 seat stadium for football without REA????....
Sorry I dont care how many people go to a football game in Montana or how popular football is nationally
Using the same flawed logic UND should give all the money to the soccer program cause they sell the shitbout of that in Europe.
... UND is never going to magically get that attendence... and NOBODY is going to build such a massive waste of a stadium in GF. Ever.
The other sports would be better serviced if UND could directly obtain more of the ticket sales revenue than they currently do
A larger percentage of a fractioanlly smaller number is not going to be helping UND football or basketball in anyway. Do you not see that basic fact?
You keep thinking this money is just magically there.
The money is there because of REA.
REA is there because of hockey.
Without either there is nothing to even argue about, OMG this is not that hard to understand
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9 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
There are numerous examples for hockey taking precedence over other programs, and having the REA getting money from basketball and football and having options to plow it back into hockey facilities.
Cases in point: the hockey team getting a shiny state of the art new locker room when their old one was 15 years old with fb helping pay it, while the football team has to deal with one almost a century old. The REA had total control over that fiasco.
Hockey coaches are paid at the top of the line, while fb and mbb, especially assistants, aren’t paid squat, even at their levels. The REA can insist on paying hockey coaches top rate, but damn if they will insist on paying other coaches. The other coaches are held to a UND pride standpoint as far as their salaries, but not hockey. Didn’t see the REA squawking about a men’s B.B. assistant that took a USD job today that pays reportedly 50% more. After all, more than half of B-ball and f-ball money is run through the REA for what hockey minds want to do with it.
Fully support hockey, but don’t trust the REA Trust’s vision for the benefit of all UND athletics. Hockey is like the slum lord overseer.
LOL... wow what color is your sky?
A fiasco... wow, delusional.
So locker room being paid for with private money is evil slum lording but...
Mascot paid for with private money is "how dare you have an opinion on how private money is spent"?
Hypocritical at best but blatantly ignorant. Either way the jealousy is just sad ....and its ugly.
Pay scales are dictated by the markets of the levels of play of teams. No vast conspiracy to keep the people from NOT being paid....
Raise some money, go get Phil Jackson or some other alum to donate a huge pile of money and pay up, CREATE a world of advantage .... dont cry because you dont "GET."
Pretty sure it was just reported that REA was about to "plow" $800k into a new roof for the Betty. Did basketball generate $800k last year? Let alone a profit.... I wonder where those funds came from.... hmmmmmm.
p.s. It wasn't football.
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17 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:
You accuse UND-FB-FAN of stoking fan base division and then follow up by insulting the football and basketball programs and say deal with it.
Your recent posts position you as the poster child for driving fan base division.
Thats not an insult. How possibly could it be?... That is just the true and rightful levels of success that could possibly be achieved.
Will football ever compete in top of sport division, no.
Will basketball ever in our wildest dreams compete past the first weekend of the tourney, no.
Its not insultung, its just the truth.
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28 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
False. There are both primary and secondary repercussions of the REA agreement that do in fact cost the other programs. You really are trying to spin your agenda. Yes, the REA does dramatically impact the UND hockey program, but the other programs are minimally affected (certainly not impacted at the level you suggest).
Also, you're saying UND *can* reach "mediocre heights" with the current arrangement? Well, that certainly doesn't mean they will. Actually, the odds are far from their favor given the current situation. It is less than ideal for the non-hockey student-athletes of the University of North Dakota.
Name One. Real and rational, not made up, not founded in jealousy, adverse real effects from having a successful hockey program.
Losing your girlfriend to a hockey player doesnt count either.
Good at spouting your heretic, not so much living in reality.
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5 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
I don't plan to change it nor do I plan for it to change otherwise; however, I do expect it to continue drowning UND in division I due to a division II mindset. No one around UND (particularly the "fans") can even comprehend change. The athletic arrangement at UND, including the REA inc. revenue sharing agreement, is not conducive to overall DI success. It's not the hockey program I specifically blame; rather, it's the emphasis on the REA and Engelstad family - including the current revenue sharing agreement that is appropriately under the microscope today.
It doesn't have to be a "B1G model"; NDSU's model also works far better than UND's. Montana does real well. South Dakota State and South Dakota are both doing relatively well.
NDSU, SDSU, USD and Montana?... Shoot for the moon all-star.
But theres no reason that UND can't achieve such mediocre heights as you aspire to.
WITH the current REA situation.
I guarantee you, without the revenue the UND athletics DOES receive from REA, there would be a much more dire budgetary crisis in the athletic department. D1.... that would be a pipe dream, even at the D1jv level.
THE REA situation does not cost UND athletics money. If you cant understand that I dont know how you get through the day.
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1 hour ago, HawksHoops said:
I was never the biggest Red Pepper fan, but I decided to take my business elsewhere when I saw a Red Pepper billboard in Fargo that said "Go Bison". That was a bridge too far for me.
Fair. I eat my share of grinders (maybe a few peoples shares) but I prefer a couple 3 - 4 cheese tostadas as a go to anyway.
Couple places in Bismarck have the rights to the recipie, Ive been told, Landers conoco just butchers the heck out of it... not good.
Stadium Bar is ok, ham is way off and bread is different but in a good way. I prefer it to Hornbachers and Hugos.
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1 minute ago, jdub27 said:
Kennedy is a successful businessman and politician, both of which require negotiating skills and the latter, significant fundraising. That makes me question some of the accusations thrown at him, however also leads me to believe the REA didn't take kindly to the request to renegotiate the contract between the two.
If Kennedy did make even some of the statements claimed such as "Ralph only making a deal that benefited him" in the face of what the University has recieced from the family.... wooof.
Then even if there is merit to his objective, it would be almost impossible for him to recover I would think.
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18 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
You're quite good at providing unfounded criticism. It would be neat, however, if you could actually explain such criticism. It's easy to throw rocks but not all that easy to withstand the retaliation.
Your views of UND athletics and, in general, successful college athletics are most certainly outdated and distorted.
Big 10?... are you insane? If you even for a second think that UND can or even SHOULD be modeled after the B1G model of athletic programs you are fishing for a life of dissapointment.
Football will NEVER be the #1 sport at UND, just live with that instead of holding onto the desperate hate filled jealousy. Football will not benefit by the demise of Hockey as you so pathetically exude.
Football can benefit by the success of the Hockey program... not its relegation.
and by the way the only chance in h e double hockey sticks of getting close to the B1G.... is in..... prepare yourself...
Hockey.
Attitudes like this guy is the root of fan base division. Embrace who we are, a hockey school. With a growing football program that can hope to succed on a smaller stage at some point. The best BB can ever hope for is to be a 64th team joke for 1st game upset. Anything further is mecer possible. Its just fact.
It is what it is. Deal with it or dont but you can't change it.
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20 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
BB playing in the Alerus Center just screams hatred towards hockey, doesn't it? Wow, you need to get a grip.
Now, if you specifically want to talk about collegiate hockey, you likely know the direction I'll go. What I said in regards to BB was not that, though. Instead, it focused on the idea of more space/seating with the Alerus Center.
Nevertheless, I know of several Big 10 schools and a successful school in Fargo, ND, whose models completely support the notion that DI hockey is of merely minimal importance to a overall successful athletic department (Hint: football #1, basketball #2 always).
UND's overall athletic department at the DI level has not been successful with their unique ignorant format; recent cutting of athletic programs probably is #1 as to support of this.
Wow it didnt take long for someone to top the previous dumbest most idiotic post of the year from earlier today but.... you just went out and achieved didn't you.
congrats.
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2 hours ago, darell1976 said:
So when is NDSU closing?
For the win. Nice... well played sir.
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2 minutes ago, Teeder11 said:
Thousands? Hmmm? It wasn't just athletics. Every unit, division and college was encouraged to take advantage of the service that was provided to athletics. Athletics was one unit that requested it, and it's the only one that is ever talked about, because, shocker, the Herald only wrote about them. The Herald ignored all the other UND units that asked for the same review process, because, well, I guess those other divisions aren't sexy news. They were all done the same way, by design.
I had not heard that before, so there is no documentation to any of the reviews for any of the other units???
Yikes
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1 minute ago, TheFlop said:
How many people in Grand Forks, the surrounding community, and ND in general benefit from getting to enjoy the events hosted there including hockey, concerts, etc.
The economic impact on the Forks from the REA is a huge factor in why the outrage over creating a ruse amongst the parties is happening.
There has to be a great reason, or there isn't..... and right now the overwhelming sentiment is that there is no good reason for Kennedy to pick this fight.
I want to know the truth.
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Jdub27 that has been posted before, thank you it provodes some background but doesnt really answer the question.
What amounts are in contention? percentages? Dollars?
How much money is this fight over?
That is the story I would pay to read?
If I was guessing.... it is a significant amount to make REA go on the offensive.
Although it could be a smaller amount and Kennedy is trying to take a stand on it, which would be foolish. Whichbis completely possible.
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7 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
did ralphs daughter and wife questioning why ralph would want to build a building in the middle of nowhere and since he's died the daughter and "foundation" have tried ways to get that 100 million dollars back one way or other and when a third party person "kennedy" looks at the numbers and shakes his head about "WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY GOING"?
Thats got to be close to the dumbest thing ive seen on this site.
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1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
hope church has already told rumors and kmart taht their leases won't be renewed....three or four years or less on both (kmart will probably bc a quasi retirement home/ nursing home)
Seems like a massive waste of location that doesnt serve the public interest.
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I think a solid new organization would be able to get to the bottom of the questions I and BarnWintersportsEngelstad raised.
Thatbis reporting that would be valuable to the community and help everyone understand.
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10 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
I don't know. Why do you just automatically assume that McGarry is right about everything she says and Kennedy is wrong?
Track record.
But heres the telling truth, we dont know what the exact issue and what value it has to each party.
I think we both want to know that.
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6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
Sounds to me like the REA was needing UND to bail them out on some things. Interesting. I said it earlier, there is much more than came out in the story and McGarry got out in front to try and control the narrative.
Thats an assumed generalization that inflames the narrative, we may be actually narrowing down the nuts and bolts here.
What would REA need UND "bailing them out on"?
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Just now, UNDBIZ said:
Not requiring additional subsidies from UND beyond its agree-upon share of ticket sales.
What additional subsidies?
Not being dickish here. Serious question, just want to make sure I understand your viewpoint and thebissue better
What do you mean by "additional subsidies" ... how much are we talking about per year and for what?
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8 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:
And as soon as UND asks REA to start living within its means, the REA board starts launching bombs in the media.....
this will be telling...
What do you actually ... mean.... by saying that?
What does " living wiyhin its means " look like to you?
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I see they decisions and manner in which the North Dakota University system manages itself, and how the bureaucratic UND administrations have bungled so much.
I see how the REA manages itself.
I guess what we should really be asking is when can REA start managing more of the day to day operations of UND!
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1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:
Yeah, his press release should've sh*t on McGarry and called her out as a liar....
I would say this press release indicated the McGarry is not lying. Glossing over the issue is in the political arena, an admitance of truth in the opponents story.
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Kennedy's response seems a very political and non-engaging one. "What do mean there's a problem?" ... Arrogant. Insulting to the parties involved I would think, which tends to back up the trends and claims about Kennedy being bullish or standofish at best and disinterested in UND at the worst.
I was really in favor of Kennedy at first, I disagree and have been disapointed in body of work so far.
What I would like to know is if the money that REA takes as part of the agreement goes into the foundation that benefits University.....
Is the arguement really just semantics of where money lays on budget reports?
McGarry isnt taking profit out of the deal at all right?
If the money REA takes in goes to maintain the facility and support student athletes how is this a bad thing.
I gues objectively its important to follow the money, and ask those questions. What really is the problem here?
How is UND effected by receiving the money they get from the REA?...
What is the requested change to the agreement? How does that make UND or the arena better off?
How exactly is UND Athletics hurt by the current situation?
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59 minutes ago, TheFlop said:
Apparently it's a great time to be in the "non-profit" business when a church can buy an entire mall and slowly turn it into compound one tax exempt space at a time as the leaseholders are forced out.
Why does this remind me about the plot of Fletch Lives?
Indoor Farnsworth amusement park?
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Again you think this magic money generated not from other programs should br paid out to other programs???.
Thats welfare. UND football cant stand on its own without welfare? Where does the money come from when nobody pays into the kitty?