Frozen4sioux
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1 minute ago, Goon said:
Not anymore, I graduated to Corona.
This is an acceptable step for summer beer choice. Much more respectable. :)-
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Looks like you got your answer.
What response did you get from the Alerus center for mid field logo placement?
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21 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:
It's not like I am making outrageous demands. Jut our new logo prominently displayed where literally every other college in the country displays it. In a time where UND is spending thousands of dollars on a re branding campaign, you would think that a great way to brand the new logo would be to display it at its 2 most attended venues. Not sure who is calling the shots on this decision, but it is definitely not UND.
I'm sure the logo will make its way to center ice soon enough, I believe 2030 has been bandied about in a few other threads.
BTW .... How big is the hawk logo at midfield of the Alerus?.... or is it prominently painted in the end zone?....
maybe its not as big of a conspiracy as you'd like everyone to believe.
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8 hours ago, darell1976 said:
I am sure a lot of people would be curious on the other submissions by SME.
Holy cow if we could get our hands on those other concepts, we would have enough to bitch about right through the summer and thebpost counts could carry the board right back into hockey season.
I would think that the concepts would be protected due to some type of trade secret, They could potentially be used for diffefent clients.... lots of opportunity in the "Hawk" marketplace.
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I may have to order up a grinder kit to see how the "new" new bread stacks up. See how it travels too, wont br back in Forks till Julyish.
I had a dream last night I had a few days in Forks and I forgot to get a Red Pepper or any shark wings from the Cay....... actually, it was more like a nightmare.
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They will very quickly I would think and then lobby quite heavily as they have in the past for "morality" bills limiting statewide gaming and thwn claim the sportsbetting as a cultural exclusive
I'm willing to bet (pun intended) they attempt to have it protected for them.
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17 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Well at least the Herald finally put their grudge out into the open. At least the bias they have in their articles going forward will be able to be pointed out and expect the majority of the coverage going forward to reflect this negative stance.
Shame on him for taking a stance on buildings that fell into nearly $10 million in disrepair under previous administrations' watch.
It does appear the lines are being drawn quite clearly.
I dont think Kennedy has sone a good job to date. I appreciate the fact that a change had to take place in UND leadership, and I was extreamly optimistic Kennedy could accomplish it with the conservative background that I also share as a world view.
However I do believe his tact and and ability to lead has been "less than professional" and I think I expected more from him.
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3 hours ago, darell1976 said:
No one else had a say on the logo, SME came out with 3 logos which no one else saw and Ed picked which one “he” liked best.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.wdaz.com/news/4064977-schafer-fighting-hawks-logo-not-debate%3famp
Could not these other variations be uncovered in a FOIA request?
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This is a case where many states will roll with NJ and open it up. ND is going to have to choose to either Take a moral stand against gambling ( a shakey at best and hypocritical stand) or try and monitize it the best they can, as quick as they can.
I would bet the tribes are going to capitalize quickly in the casinos.. although mayne they already so, I dont know its been ages since I was in one.
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39 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Nice personal attacks son.
Doesn't add credibility to your argument though.
Now go back to sucking up to REA.
I didnt attack you,
I literally corrected your post with the appropriate ethical reasoning flaws and accounting of fact for your fantasy theories.
Its extreamly credible..... you see the things you wrote attempting to "clarify the big picture" are not based in fact but, conspiracy, fantasy, and out of spite. That is wrong. You are wrong.
You tend to be one of these kids who argues with the teacher about your grade, never understanding that the answer you provided was wrong, the thinking that went into the answer was flawed and the conclusions are not supported in fact or data.
I will always call you out when you flat out write BS. I dont think you will learn, but I feel as if I owe it to you to try and help. And the community as a whole needs to be aware of the levels of crazy you try to preach
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32 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
I believe this to be pretty accurate. The REA intentionally operates outside the UND budget for multiple reasons. Some are beneficial, some not as much, some in a gray area depending on a various factors. Extra money taken in is given back to UND at the end of the year, though they obviously keep a reserve account for upkeep and upgrades mostly at the board's discretion. I don't necessarily think any of the programs are being shortchanged because of the arrangement, however I think the athletic department as a whole has had to lean a bit more on institutional funds due to uncertainty and inconsistent dollar amounts coming back from the REA. There's probably an argument that some upgrades in the REA could have been money spent elsewhere (outside of private donations) which UND would be able to make the decision on with a different revenue split.
I think some people are taking the issue a little too far on placing blame and claiming it is the reason for the downfall of other sports, though with how things were stirred up with a lot of unknown details that still haven't been made clear, that is bound to happen.
My thought is there is some negotiations going on currently on issues that were previously signed off on with no second thought because the arrangement was working for both parties. UND now would like a little more control over funds and see them flow in a different way to help their budget.
I agree fully with this, It is important to understand that first sentence.
I think this post is well said and much closer to core issue.
Well said, good post.
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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Allow me to give everyone here a snapshot OF MY DEMENTED THOUGHT PROCESS of the big picture with regard to REA, its relationship to UND and the very real and serious consequences of this issue:
- Imagine that the contract split the revenues 50-50 between UND and REA starting in 2001. Imagine the extra revenues that would have resulted from that more equitable contract.ETHICALLY FLAWED ASSUMPTION
- Now imagine all the coaches salaries that we could have increased during the critical transition period from D-II to D-I. REVISIONIST ASSUMPTION
- Imagine the coaches we could have retained with those extra revenues (Hint: I am talking about Dale Lennon).ETHICAL ARGUMENT DISASTER, ASSUMPTIONS OF MULTIPLE PARTIES MAKING DECISIONS THAT DONT HAVE BASIS INNTHE END ASSUMPTION
- Imagine the assistant coaches we could have retained instead of losing them to lateral moves to teams in our own freaking conference (which happened to MBB just last week). ARGUMENT DOES NOT RESPECT THE MULTITUDE OF ADDITIONAL FACTORS
- Imagine Phase II of the HPC under construction or at least close to its fundraising goals instead of being a twinkle in our eyes. A MASSICE ASSUMPTION OF AN END GOAL YOU HAVE ZERO IDEA OF THE FUNDING BALANCE OF
- Imagine all the championships we could have won because we had more money to invest in FB and WBB. WBB made it to the D-II national title game in Rochester, MN in March 2001. REA opened in October 2001. FB won the D-II national title on December 8th, 2001. After that point, FB and WBB had very good bordering on great teams, but couldn't quite get over the hump.
- OMG YOU ARE LIVING IN A STATE OF PURE FANTASY, DID YOU GROW UP UNDER POWER LINES?
- ...AND ALL THIS BASED ON YOUR THEORY OF JUST AN ADDITIONAL 2% GOING TO UND FIRST....
- This also was a time of six figure deficits in the athletic department, which Kupchella ordered solved IMMEDIATELY! Imagine what those extra revenues from REA could have done for both aforementioned programs? Gene Roebuck may have padded his legacy with 2 to 3 more national titles and UND FB might have been Grand Valley State instead of Runner-Up/Second-Fiddle/Stepping Stone U. The fact that all of this happened after REA opened makes me think it is more than a coincidence.
- ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON BATSHIT CRAZY CONSPIRACY
And now the consequences become even more important today with regard to.......
- NDSU's increasing (and sickening) advantage in athletics fundraising, athletics success and national profile. The more they win, the smaller and more insignificant we look. This has to change soon, or we we will become "that other school in North Dakota" (just typing that makes me ill). More revenues will be crucial in preventing that.
- ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVENT TO EACH OTHER A FALSE COMPARISON
- The reality of FCOA as a permanent part of intercollegiate athletics. We cannot simply conclude that it is not "feasible" to fund FCOA and resolve to do "more with less". That is a one-way ticket straight to permanent mediocrity. We will learn what it was like to be Morningside for all those years in the old NCC. More revenues will be crucial to meeting these needs. WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT FCOA IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
- Our move from the Big Sky to the Summit League and MVFC. If our programs fall flat on their faces early and often in our new leagues, it will make our problems worse and harder to overcome. More revenue can help us establish a solid foundation for the future. MISTAKES EXACTLY LIKE THE CONFRENCES AND CONSTANT EFF UPS ARE EXACTLY THE REASON TO NOT LET UND CONTROL MORE MONEY, PROVEN INCAPABLE OF PROPER MANAGEMENT
- The possible upcoming CFB shake-up with regard to divisional realignment and scholarship limits. If there is another division added to CFB (a G5 division split off of the P5), we will want to position ourselves to be in that new division, not stuck in the old (and further watered-down) FCS. More revenues will be crucial to making it happen.
- YOU ARE SO FAR OUT IN DREAMWORLD ON THIS ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO HELP YOU. CAN UND WBB JOIN THE NBA TOO??
A more equitable REA contract would help make these problems easier to overcome and solve.
Assumption based on delusionallu flawed reasoning
Unfortunately, some people care more about soothing the hurt feelings of a rich heiress who lives in Las Vegas, NV and has admitted she doesn't care all that much about UND. I oppose that messianic "cult of personality" thinking and support doing something about this problem because I love UND, I cherish UND and I want a bright future for UND.
I can not believe you graduated from UND but would find it unsuprising that you worked at UND.
The contract is a joke. It is wrong. It must be fixed. And it must be fixed NOW.
(drops mic) youre paying for it if you broke it
(exits stage right) everyone would be better off and smarter and better informed if you did
You are delusional.
All of your scenerios are built on multiple assumptions built into a generalized "what if".
Its rediculous, it shows poor analytical reasoning skills, and worse yet it irresponsibly mis-informs people who would believe your rambling bull$%!# is based in knowledge instead of your own manufactued hopes and dreams.
I have corrected your manifesto for ethical reasoning and to call oit your BS and flawed thought process.
You do more damage to University of North Dakota Athletics than any deal ever could.
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1 hour ago, streetsahead said:I think the concern is that the funds would be used in other areas rather than pumped back into the Ralph.
Thats a very valid concern.
FB will be very pissed when the 48% Athletics / 52% REA goes to 8% Athletics / 92% financing committes to study the effects of nonbinary lesbian dance theory as viewed through the lens of social injustice perpetrated upon nonGmo fed vegan ..... hawks.
....and of course the associated building unnamed in honor of indecision.
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30 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:
I'm thinking they concentrated their efforts on those national contracts and didn't exactly give their all on the flyover country bird.
^^^^^^This^^^^^^
$50k doesnt even get a real logo design/branding company out of bed, instantly delegated to an intern.
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On 5/11/2018 at 6:04 PM, UNDBIZ said:
I like Landers. It's so different from RP I don't even compare the 2 though. The Pier grinder is also pretty good, but again, nothing like RP.
Landers issue is too much moisture. If you get it to go, it basically melts the brown paper bag away withi a minute or too and you end up with a sloppy mess of wet bun, bits of paper and sauceslopping all over your shirt as you drive down the road.
i like landers for my morning coffee and a bag of minnows.....
And a six pack.
or two.
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1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:
Don't forget most of the money brought into the foundation is wired back to Vegas so their other donations to UNLV can be made. We do all the work up here in North Dakota only for other places to benefit. As an alumni that does not sit well with me
Wait...
Who told you the money raised at RES is sent away from North Dakota?
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1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:
I normally don't agree with all your statements but I 100% agree with you. Hockey is no bigger than the University as a whole and that is what Kennedy is trying to fight.
I agree Hockey is no bigger than the University as a whole.
But make no mistake...
Kennedy CAN NOT win a fight he picks with Hockey. He doesnt have the capital, the staying power or the standing to be successful. He needs to find a better approach.
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1 minute ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
Bingo, and hence, we have a pattern that supports my thoughts that this UND-REA inc. agreement has essentially sold the betterment of UND athletics as a whole into the hands of the Engelstads (and therefore nothing happens unless it's for hockey). Even if UND wanted to provide more funds to football and/or basketball, they wouldn't be able to due to the Engelstads. This gets brought up to McGarry by Kennedy and apparently she, as her history suggests, goes berserk and tries to use the impulsive North Dakota public opinion of Kennedy to aid her.
The ethical and logical flaws in your presumptive and innacurate conclusions, due to your psychotic fixation of percieved injustice, viewed through such a narrow objective lens..... are truly astounding.
How you can possibly be a functioning adult is either an impressive string of luck or the result of exemplary multi-tier support systems that enable continued survival.
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1 minute ago, jdub27 said:
Two main points to make:
- The sports that use (used) the REA (MIH, WIH, MBB, WBB, VB) all made sense to include in the ticket revenue split is that was considered "rent". Obviously MIH carries the majority of that weight and subsidize some of the other users of the facility, which is fine. However the loss of WIH had minimal impact to ticket revenue stream that was split and has provided the REA with 5-6 extra weekends per year to book other events they didn't have prior and cut down on staffing costs, which they were losing money on due to lack of attendance at those events. UND is using the facility less overall. Renegotiating the contract because of that change is very logical.
- I'm not sure why football ticket revenue was ever included in the agreement, particularly when UND is billed separately for ticket administration services provided by the REA. There's absolutely no arguing the REA has been a net positive for UND. That being said, re-looking at how things have been operating isn't a bad thing.
That is reasonable and well explained.
So the real changes stem from WIH, The lack of ice usage time and the lack of gameday arena use.
The locker room facilities were just flipped to soccer and softball correct?
The points you just laid out do not seem unreasonable at all to revist.
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12 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:
Let me get this straight. Engelstad Foundation/REA Inc gets 52% of all ticket revenue at UND. Kennedy notices this and wants to negotiate something better. McGarry gets offended by Kennedy even bringing up the issue and complains to the Herald, and somehow Kennedy is the bad guy? Does that about sum it up?!!
Thats reverting back to initial assumptions.
You have no idea, nor do I, what the specific issue Kennedy has with the agreement or what his objective was.
Thats is what we want to find out, If it were that simple UND could just publicly state, We feel 52% is too high. We want to see 35% or whatever....
It could be as simple as that or could be much more complex, But it looks obviois that prior interactions have strained relations before the agreement issue was raised.
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12 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
Would the division of fans be less if the hockey team wasn’t playing in an arena plastered with Sioux logos?
No. I do not believe so.
I think the division is deeper. There was alot of animosity prior to name change era as well.
I know someone well who played in the 60s, a few actually, but this guy in particular.
This guy told stories of players at odds all the time back in the day. He hated UND hockey, that deep seated resentment has been there for decades.
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1 minute ago, darell1976 said:
That one is mind boggling, what does the football team have to do with the Engelstad’s? If anything I would think the city would be pissed cause that could be more money going to the city instead of the Engelstad’s.
This does seem strange to me as well, and think it gets lost in the mix?
Im not sure why this is, I do think its a reasonable question to ask what value UND gets or what service is provided for the take on FB tickets.
Thats a fair reasonable and appropriate question.
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23 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
The REA agreed to house basketball and Vball for 52% of their and fb’s take. If the REA hadn’t been cost cutting on construction, the roof might have lasted longer.
AND YOU KNOW AND CAN ACCUSE THE REA OF 'COST CUTTING' ON THE ROOF? OF THEIR OWN BUILDING, TO SPITE BASKETBALL?
Maybe it was private money to remake to locker room, but if UND was in charge that gift would probably be rejected or sent to more noble cause. The REA Trust can accept charitable gifts. Rejections of gifts happens by universities when people want to give to some pet project that aren’t inline with the Unversities priorities. Come 2030, that will play out.
SO YOU THINK UND WILL REFUSE DONATIONS FOR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS AFTER 2030? OR ORDER NEW BASKETBALL FLOOR MOPS DUE TO THEIR HIGHER NOBILITY? DO YOU LISTEN TO YOURSELF? IN YOUR FANTASY WORLD, DOES THE UNIVERSITY KNOCK DOWN THE REA IN 2030 OR JUST CONVERT IT TO THE CULTURALLY EQUATABLE SAFEHOUSE OF ANTI-ICKINESS DEPARTMENT OFFICES?
The hockey teams own chef is paid for by REA funds. Some women’s team now gets that now too, rather than women’s hockey, but basketball teams don’t get their own chef to make meals. They.have cafeteria like all the other dorm students and a snack bar after practice.
Not against the REA being a palace for hockey, as it is needed for recruiting, just don’t like other sports being treated like peons.
OTHER SPORTS ARE TREATED EQUAL TO THE LEVELS OF COMPETITION OF THE ENVIORNMENT THEY EXIST IN. WANT THAT TO IMPROVE, FIND A DONOR TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM TO A HIGHER LEVEL, DONT PRAY WITH SEETHING JEALOUSY THAT OTHERS SUCCESS CAN BE RETROGRADED TO MEDIOCRE LEVELS SO THE BB TEAMS FEELING ARENT HUWRT. IF THEY WANT A DAMN OMLET IM SURE THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ONE, IF NOT I DONT WANT THEM HERE.
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2 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
The Engelstads essentially purchased UND athletics and you fail to realize it (or at least your content with it). WILD CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE BEST SERVED ON R/CONSPIRACY AND YOU MAY FIND SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT ASSININE DRIBBLE THERE.
Football and basketball could finance far more on their own if they were initially funded in such a way to have competitive standards relative to their peers (principally coaching salaries and facilities - afterthoughts for the hockey program protected by the REA inc.). DID YOU EAT PAINT CHIPS AS A CHILD? THERE IS NO MONEY FROM FB OR BB TO SUPPORT THE LEVELS OF PAY YOU THINK SHOULD BE EQAL?? WHERE IS THIS MAGIC MONEY GOING TO COME FROM?
Also, it's not welfare when the hockey student-athletes play for the University of North Dakota, IT IS WHEN THEY DO NOT GENERATE MONEY BUT ARE THEN DISTRIBUTED MONEY SOMEONE ELSE GENERATED. not the Fighting Sioux Engelstad Fund. UND, not the REA foundation, should control financing decisions, hands down.
IF TOMORROW COLLEGE HOCKEY WAS NOT A THING AND HOCKEY WAS NOT A SPORT AT THE NCAA LEVEL. FB AND BB WOULD NOT HAVE MORE MONEY TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENT FINANCIAL DECISIONS WITH.
UND IS NOT GOING TO SCUTTLE THE HOCKEY PROGRAM TO TRY AND WIN THAT COVETED JV FOOTBALL TITLE. SORRY.
PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR FINANCIAL EDUCATION AT UND, PLEASE GOD, PLEASE.
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US Supreme Court lets states legalize sports betting
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Yes.
You smoking a J, as the kids say, and hoping for Tarkington to pass for 3 TDS in the third Period doesn't make someone go into work and miss their family time. So this passes the ND smell test.