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Within a year or two, a change will be made and Jones will be gone. Unfortunately, due to the "knucklehead" mindset of Faison and other apologists such as those on this board, UND will likely go through a couple disaster, program set-back type seasons first.

UND's not in a position to recruit highly touted players. Every year hundreds of players slip through recruiting cracks in DI football. Bubba's focus is on development right now. With wins, UND will start to battle for highly touted recruits more often. Bubba has more committed recruits now (17) than Mussman ever had at this point in the year.

Perhaps the recruits should know the truth; in fact, maybe Faison and the "true" UND supporters should acknowledge the truth every once and awhile. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting difficult results is insanity, right Mr. Einstein?

Absolutely 100% correct. Ignoring what NDSU athletics has accomplished as a whole is downright foolish and ignorant. NDSU works with the same fundamental assets as UND (climate, location, budget, etc.) and yet they have a much higher standard than UND athletics. This is entirely attributable to the athletic department and leadership at UND. It's a shame to admit but Gene Taylor did a much better job at creating competitive clubs at NDSU than Brian Faison has ever even hinted at. Its all about influencing contributable donations from well-to-do alumni and than using that to create DI tier programs in both facilities and staff. Right now, Faison is not getting the job done. NDSU has gained so much financial support in the last 10 years it's not even funny. Football coach with over 200K salary and a basketball coach with a 150K salary; now compare that to UND and it's a joke.

Will be interesting to see how UND bounces back from the NDSU game. Obviously playing Dickinson State SHOULD allow UND to get right back in the win column.

Anyone who doesn't realize there are some experienced DII coaches who are far better coaches than Jones are fooling themselves; those are targets for UND. If UND would like to raise their HC salary to 150K to mirror NDSU and the Mussman to Bubba change, then some DI assistants could go on the radar. UND needs to consider this direction along with facility improvements, both of which fall on the AD.

Phillips/NDSU had already beat some major DI teams (Wisconsin & NCAA tourney appearance) on the road; Jones has yet to even keep UND close in such a game.

Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. I don't expect this bull$%!# ever, especially versus NDSU. I'm officially on the get rid of Jones list. This is not condoned at a flagship university versus their instate rival. This is kind of the thing that any other competent AD looks at and then makes a coaching change.

NDSU with the narrow victory

4th down or 4th quarter! Ha! But yes, this game is surprisingly becoming interesting. Good day if both NDSU squads lose along with a UND win?

I don't know if the UND strength and conditioning program deserves criticism, but it certainly has yet to deserve any praise.

Should be a fun game, then again, UND-NDSU games usually are. Hopping to see UND get it's first DI men's basketball win in Fargo tomorrow versus the buffaloes.

Conference ties are only one of the duties that athletic departments are responsible for. Additionally, it is important that funding is disbursed correctly, marketing/game day atmosphere of all events - particularly revenue generating sports - is properly handled, and the support from boosters and alumni is respectfully dealt with and used to its fullest potential. I'm afraid UND does not have enough innovation and desire to be great when it comes to football and basketball. Expectations are always the first step to success, and UND lacks that right now from the top.

In all honesty, what else would one expect from Faison? Not impressed with the leadership in the athletic department.

36 point loss. Not good enough IMO. Need to get way better.

Zero physical presence down low for UND. Need more there to compete, particularly on the road vs major programs.

There's no question having those two things would spice up the Betty quite a bit. It's just another athletic department shame on a long list of things... Whether UND supporters want to believe it or not, the current administration is too set on hockey. I agree that UND can ultimately allow hockey football and basketball all three thrive together, but the contemporary athletic department staff, particularly Faison, is incapable of doing that.

Still need to be way better. A win is a win though, and now a tough game versus Minnesota lies ahead. Jones will really have to outdo himself, along with the players of course, in order for UND to have a shot.

Final. NDSU pulls it out 27-24 over SDSU. I personally think SDSU offered the only chance for NDSU to lose before the national championship game. NDSU will be in the championship, I'd say.

First recruiting weekend this month will be this weekend so things should pick up next week. Also, had to wait for FBS season to finish up because transfers are big targets for the staff, and rightfully so.

Took UND over 100 years to win a national title in football. Willing to wait another century? How many titles has Minnesota won since 1960? Cycles are not guaranteed; you can't just sit back and let things happen. That's a real hesitant way of thinking that quite frankly doesn't work. You want to break the cycle and win, you have to be proactive. Times change and sometimes you aren't guaranteed anything in the future, even if you believe in cycles. Breaking the modern trend requires an open mind and dedication/hard work. Point is, UND has never been DI before and it's a different animal. UND is not guaranteed anything. UND's athletic department is still adapting to the higher requirements of DI versus DII athletics.

When was the last time UND was in the NCAA DI basketball tournament? When was the last time UND was in the FCS playoffs? Please don't bore me with the ridiculous "cycles speech".

Knowing UND is recruiting Blinn junior college in Texas, here are some possibilities as to who UND is targeting (all 2015 graduates): WR Darrion Landry, 6'3" 195 lbs. 4.45 40 yd dash. 3 star Rivals. Offers from Akron, Illinois, Kentucky, Mid Tenn State, North Texas, South Alabama, Southern Miss, and Toledo. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darrion-Landry-160429 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/687309/darrion-landry LB Justin Johnson, 6'1" 230 lbs. 4.50 40 yd dash. Offers from Arkansas State, Mid Tenn State, Purdue and Southern Miss. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Justin-Johnson-169241 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4574833/justin-johnson S Alan Wright, 6'0" 190 lbs. 4.53 40 yd dash. Offers from Miami (OH), Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston State, and Tulsa. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Alan-Wright-162031 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2965305/alan-wright RB DeVante Mays, 5'11" 225 lbs. 4.53 40 yd dash. Offers from Georgia State, Utah State, and Southern Miss. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-DeVante-Mays-162033 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/456849/devante-mays OL Jayson Rhodes, 6'4" 310 lbs. Offers from Grambling State and Southern Miss. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jayson-Rhodes-168919 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3874315/jayson-rhodes QB Jake Hubenak, 6'3" 210 lbs. 4.6 40 Yd Dash. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jake-Hubenak-168218 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4514014/jake-hubenak DE/OLB/S Darrell Jackson, 6'5" 225 lbs. 3 star Rivals. Offers from Arkansas State and UCF. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darrell-Jackson-160755 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3890833/darrell-jackson CB Tyree Williams, 6'0" 185 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Tyree-Williams-162338 CB Reggie Anderson, 5'10" 180 lbs. 4.40 40 yd dash. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Reggie-Anderson-160752 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/516809/reggie-anderson MLB Garrett Sharp, 6'3" 230 lbs. 2 star Rivals. Offer from Texas State. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Garrett-Sharp-162034 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3064112/garrett-sharp S Ron Knowles, 6'0" 190 lbs. 4.60 40 yd dash. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ron-Knowles-160756 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/895437/ron-knowles S Scott Middleton, 5'11" 200 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Scott-Middleton-162032 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2590202/scott-middleton MLB Fred Conyers, 6'0" 235 lbs. 4.80 40 yd dash. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Fred-Conyers-162341 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/354533/fred-conyers DE/OLB Kyle Joyce, 6'0" 215 lbs. 4.62 40 yd dash. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kyle-Joyce-162340 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2546535/kyle-joyce DE Darian Childers, 6'3" 265 lbs. Offer from Texas Southern. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Darian-Childers-160753 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2876702/darian-childers DT Edgar Luna, 6'3" 305 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Edgar-Luna-162325 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/509840/edgar-luna DT JJ Lollar, 6'3" 300 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-J.J.-Lollar-162326 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/543355/jj-lollar OL Mike Vanisko, 6'5" 300 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Mike-Vanisko-162578 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/502923/michael-vanisko OL Ross Lodge, 6'5", 295 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ross-Lodge-162582 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4478625/ross-lodge WR Kaylon Melancon, 5'10", 185 lbs. http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kaylon-Melancon-162577 http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531885/kaylon-melancon My goodness does Blinn College have some good athletes. If they are committed to academics and being good student-athletes within the community, then I think Bubba and staff should consider signing one or two off this list.

Wrong, if we're speaking hypotheticals here. Any club that wins OOC games against ranked teams (UND had/has chances this season against Utah and Minnesota) will be considered by the selection committee. If UND or any other clubs beat a bunch of OOC powerhouses, they would be considered despite the conference tournament outcome.

100% correct. Only difference between UND basketball and NDSU basketball, and even football teams, is the coaching and athletic departments; both of which have been superior for NDSU. NDSU's facilities are on par with UND's, but it's the effort put into the programs by NDSU that trumps that of UND.