bison73

The acting AD will not go back to a 2011 offer that is no longer on the table. My bet is he will not do anything unless the current deal on the table is accepted. I am also very sure there are complete details and instructions how to proceed if the offer is accepted.

Of course this is all speculation. I do find the the scenario interesting but its still pretty far fetched specualtion at this point.

What email was that?

I agree with a majority of what you say. I think as time went on the playing field--as in wants and needs changed from year to year as NDSU became more successfull. Because of that changing landscape it became more difficult to even try and move to the middle. I dont think even at that ponit GT was opposed to the game in as much as not wanting to play the game in GF. Even with open records there are way too many gaps and no actual records of conversations or copies of actual drafts of contracts. If there were I would have thought those would have been brought forward and GTs feet held to the fire. But I dont see how you can say GT wasnt bargaining in good faith when he offered a H/H one time deal. BF turned it down because he wanted a game every year. If BF would have accepted that deal from the get go we wouldnt be where we are now. ps I appreciate the level headed conversation!

Really?

He changed the terms when BF declined the offer. Not to hard to figure out. Its right there in black and white.

From Hammersmith on AGS--- The timeline of this whole thing is really weird with some significant unexplained gaps. April 2010: UND demands yearly game, NDSU demands every other year at most. (this was the case from fall 2008 to spring 2011) April 2011: GT offers two-game Fargo/GF deal for 2015 & 2017. BF agrees in principle, mentions meeting in person to iron out details. Nothing happens. (this is the email exchange from above) January 2012: NDSU wins first national championship. May 2012: During an interview, GT answers a question on the topic by mentioning he's told BF to call him when he's ready to move forward. No mention is made of the conversation from a year ago or if the current deal was still on the table. During an interview the following day, BF said he was going to mail a contract to GT using the dates agreed to over a year before. No confirmation that BF followed through. June 2012: NCAA sends NDSU's championship banner to UND by mistake. BF talks to media before he calls GT about it. NDSU finds out when the story appears on the GFH and WDAZ websites. January 2013: NDSU wins second national championship. January 2013: BF emails a contract to GT using the April 2011 terms. GT says he'll get back to him. Apparently never does. January 2014: NDSU wins third national championship. January 2014: BF once again emails the April 2011 contract. GT counteroffers both games in Fargo. BF declines. February 2014: GT offers $190k for one game in Fargo or $380k for two games in Fargo. BF declines and offers to change the 2017 date to 2018, 2019 or 2020. GT declines. May 2014: GT offers $125k for one game in Fargo for 2015. BF declines. July 2014: Just before leaving for Iowa, GT informs BF that the single game deal is off the table. Only deal on table is the two-game Fargo deal for 2015 and 2018/19. August 2014: BF tells media he's considering taking the deal on the table. (the article that started this thread) Questions: 1. What happened between April 2011 and May 2012? That's almost a year of time. Did the two of them not follow through with the face to face meeting? Apparently there are no emails or Brad Schlossman's FOIA request would have turned them up. Did the deal fall apart due to details that couldn't be worked out? There are no answers in published media reports. 2. During the May 2012 exchange: Were BF & GT in contact regarding the issue before BF mailed the contract, or did it show up out of the blue? Did BF even follow through with sending the contract? There is no mention of a contract being sent by UND or received by NDSU close to the time period in subsequent FOIA requests. Sources: http://www.bakkentoday.com/event/art...blisher_ID/40/ http://localnews.twcc.com/article/36...9#.U-f3YBEg9dg http://www.grandforksherald.com/cont...rantee-game-gf https://secure.forumcomm.com/?publis...icle_id=274103 http://www.bakkentoday.com/event/article/id/34045/

Ive done it before. The ones who are blind will stay blind. Regardless of venue. I still dont see the relevance in my post to Siouxguy82 and BV. Unless your point is childish finger pointing?

What does BV have to do with my post?

Dont care whether you think NDSU was bargaining in good faith or whether you think I am trying to make NDSU look good as I am not. Just having a discussion. You see I am able to look and see issues on both sides. You only see NDSU at fault. I would say this--If you are unable to do look at both sides of the issue may be you should just quit----but this is YOUR venue so that would be inappropriate. But I do understand where the sentiment comes from. Just one more thing---no contract has ever been produced. So nobody knows what was or wasnt in it. So its nothing more than speculation.

We also don't know what Faison was doing behind the scenes verbally as well. We also don't know if the contract submitted was the one verbally agreed upon. Much to question on both sides of the table.

If you go back I was basically agreeing with hayduke. As in time to move on.

You extrapolated that from my comment?

nght. They value playing Weber State more than you at this juncture. But youve actually had one or two of your own journaist have said you arent bargaining from a position of strength. I know that really is a burr under your saddle but is is what it is.

I agree. If Faison doesnt like the terms then he needs to decline and then just quit calling.

Weber State has nothing to do with a NDSU vs UND game.

I thought most think Faison was doing a great job?

Certainly couldnt argue with that.

We will have to disagree on that point. But if you want to use that as a reason not to play us thats your choice.

Obviously you have no knowledge of the discord between Iowa and ISU. During the hiatus I heard ALL of the same excuses. This is nothing more than a replay except for how the NDSU and UND series stopped. Choose your beverage wisely as it looks like Faison has finally realized he has no bargaining power. He pretty much indicated so in the article saying he would agree to the two games in Fargo to get the series going again. Just think if he would have scheduled the game along time ago. We wouldnt be having this conversation. We would be talking about the up coming game between NDSU and UND.

Money Concessions were made by Iowas State due to the fact that their seating capacity was not comeparable to Iowas when they were trying to restart the rivalry.. When they increased their seating they renegotiated the agreement. Iowa vs Iowa State didnt happen for many many years. 40?

After reading this thread something very interesting is going on. Theres alot of excuses for not playing NDSU. Play the two games in Fargo. Get the ball rolling. You keep demanding and setting terms like Faison did the results will be the same. If Faison hadnt demanded the game be played every year the game would have been played a couple of times or more already.

Faison could of had the same deal years ago and the game would have been played several time by now. But he insisted the game be played every year.

:lol: :lol:

You seriously cant be serious. Nobody who is anybody cares whether he scheduled you. Do you think that was a talking point during he Iowa interview? His legacy may be tarnished in your eyes because he didnt schedule you guys but nobody else cares.