Bison06

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/us-news-world-report/ Any others that are actually right leaning that you consider credible?

I’m asking you a direct question. Who or what news source that leans right do you consider to be credible?

So do you have an answer?

Out of curiosity, who is someone you believe to be a credible news source that is objective and/or leans slightly right of center?

I really think the left is being overconfident right now. We'll have to see how it plays out, but Trump isn't as far off as some would like to believe.

That certainly is one approach that he could've taken. I don't envy any politicians job, these are difficult decisions. As far as him being toast, the election is still a long ways off and the economy is doing great considering everything that has happened. If the unemployment rate is under 8% by November, I think he has a chance. Who the hell knows though with Biden/Harris, that isn't exactly a winning combination.

Given the political climate, my perspective is whichever approach Trump took would have been harshly criticized. Take a broad federal approach and he is a fascist tyrant abusing his federal power, take a "the states have to make their own decisions" like he did and he is not doing enough. It's a heck of a pickle for him.

But how would you even do that logistically. Didn't they completely close their borders and isolate/quarantine all inbound travelers for 14 days? No way we could do that on a US scale with all of the possible entry points. Also, if this herd immunity deal ever gets figured out and we can develop some sort of community immunity to Covid, New Zealand will be susceptible all over again.

Asia is a fine analogue, but we can learn almost nothing in the US from New Zealand IMO. They are an isolated island with a total population the size of the Minneapolis area on a landmass roughly the size of Colorado.

Has the idea of asymptomatic carriers who spread the disease been fully vetted out? I've heard so many different things in the last 5 months.

Thanks for all the info, that is helpful.

I am by no means an expert on immunity or vaccinations, though I have some formal education and read about both regularly. The question I can't find an answer to in any of the discussion I've seen online or in this forum is, if we are somehow unable to achieve herd immunity naturally through wild spread, how will a vaccination help protect anyone if the virus can be contracted more than once(this hasn't been fully decided yet)?

Thanks to Covid-19, some of us have a hell of a lot more free time than we used to.

Well, for what’s it worth from a random avatar on a message board, I’ve found discourse with you to be useful. Conversation about important topics is far more important than many people realize and it is a true travesty that our culture has gotten to a point that we are unable to discuss the truly important things without it devolving into personal attacks and people retreating to their respective echo chambers. I wear a mask for 10 hours a day, I’m just simply not a fan of telling others how to love their lives as that is the respect I expect from others. I like to hear differing opinions and would argue fervently and if needed sacrifice much more for every American’s right to express theirs as well. I fear we are headed for a future where expressing one’s opinions will no longer be allowed. I hope I am wrong.

You can hold it against me, everybody else does here when we are arguing about fun things like football and recruiting. I read through your studies, the first one has nothing to do with Covid-19, they are using data on Influenza. Call me crazy, but I’ve been told no less than 1k times in the last 5 months that “it’s not the F’ing Flu”. Ok it’s not the flu so how can we use data from the flu? Second one, I agree with you in theory, as this link also just tests for respiratory jet reduction which is obvious to me. Clearly wearing a mask holds in a respiratory expulsion during a sneeze or talking. That’s not a question in my mind. What is a question is if masks are effective in reducing the spread of covid 19. Not in theory, in the real world. So far, we haven’t seen masks change the trajectory of the infection rate in a meaningful way. We haven’t seen people be able to get their kids back to school with a mask mandate, we haven’t seen sports be able to move forward with a mask mandate. For me it isn’t about the mask, for me it’s the precedent it sets. Just look at the comments from Hayduke, vaccine mandate or public shaming is right around the corner and the mask mandate set the precedent for it. That’s my problem with masks.

Do you even realize that you posted articles that are all quoting the cdc recommendations? And none of those are actual studies. I’m not an “anti-masker”, what I am looking for is some sort of proof they work. Cases around the country simply don’t support that.

Proven, you keep using this word as if it’s true. California has had a mandatory mask mandate since the middle of June. Check their numbers. Masking simply isn’t helping, this isn’t my opinion. Insane is telling people they have to put something in their bloodstream to make you feel safe.

I hope some day there is an intervention that you disagree with and are forced to comply with so you can see how awful it is that you think you can tell people how to live their lives

So now you've graduated to medical fascism. Wonderful. As we've all been saying since the get go, it'll never be enough for you or people who think like you. Medical decisions need to be between doctor and patient and never politicized.

Serious question for you, if “wear a mask and STHU” turns into “get a vaccine and STHU” will you feel the same way?

What is your obsession with masks? Every place they have gone with mandatory mask use in the US we haven’t seen a decrease in spread. This is not my opinion, I wear a mask. Is it just about obedience with this topic or why have you decided that mask use is the lynchpin here?

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-not-entirely-effective-2020-1 Interesting what you can find if you look at what experts were saying before March when this became political.

Oh that’s right, he changed his mind after he said this. 40 years of medical experience changed overnight due to the coronavirus.

Excellent, you happen to live in a state that has the process refined. That isn’t true for most of the rest of the states.

I’m fine with handling my masks. I deal with people in my business daily who are forced to wear one and trust me, the masks they wear and how they wear them aren’t helping anyone.