Bison06

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I guess I fail to see where you mentioned putting out decent teams. You said SDSU isn't hurt badly, which is grossly untrue. SDSU recruits directly against NDSU and loses nearly every battle when they go head to head. Maybe your own point went over your head.

If you don't think SDSU is hurt by recruiting against NDSU, I'm not sure there is anything left to discuss with you.

You guys keep touting this IPF as the savior of the program. I just don't see it. Absolutely it will be nice to have. But, I am not sure an 18 year old will see it the same way. NDSU seems to have done fine without a dedicated IPF, same with UNI, Montana and Montana St. (Cold weather teams.)

Great post. Something that I have been thinking during this entire conversation, but realized it wouldn't be received very well so I opted to not bring it up.

Please elaborate. Was something I said not true?

Not true. When Bohl came in he was asked to bring a program with all of the support a program could ask for back to where it had once been. He was asked to transition a team to Division I and was given all the resources to do so and he knew it. Can the same be said for UND? Not from what I have read on this board. UND football will always take a backseat to hockey, according to many people on this board. Until football is given it's due at UND, the cream of the crop coaches will never see the position as enticing.

I have to admire your optimism.

Not to nitpick, but it seems appropriate to point out that they came from UND to NDSU. Not the other way around.

This is part of my point. I don't see anything enticing about coming to UND as the head guy for him. It seems like an enormous step backwards, regardless of money. Where do you go from UND? He is already in a great position as a DC at a Mid level FBS school who has position coach experience at a major FBS program. Not to mention a national championship as a DC in FCS. Just seems to me like UND wouldn't be a move in the right direction for his career. I am just surprised to hear his name come up on this board.

Gus Bradley is the connection to Fort Lewis, brought him on at NDSU as a GA. HIs roots lie with NDSU. Call it nonsense if you want.

Hazelton is an NDSU guy, don't doubt that. Not having played for the Bison doesn't make him any less of "one of our guys". Setting that aside for a moment though, what about the UND job would be enticing to a man who is in his position?

Honest question, because his name has come up multiple times as a replacement. What makes anyone on this board think he will take the UND job if offered. He is an NDSU guy, I honestly doubt he would want to coach at UND. Could be wrong though.

And hold on, a UND grad with a job. You mean to tell me you don't own a farm yet? They really need to change that brochure.

Same for me, but we aren't 21.

He brought it up. Who do you suggest I give that credit to?

Back pedal? Not sure how my statement could be seen as back pedaling.

I'm sure someone with the internet avatar "Goon" would have just laid in the fetal position while two larger men beat the hell of out him.

Gene.Taylor@ndsu.edu

As many as he deserved, which became more clear once the sensationalizing media got the facts straight.

Keep in mind it was a UND fan who originally brought this up. If you are looking to throw the slanderous word around look no further than that poster.

Well, if you don't want to be seen in that light, why did it take me pointing out the lack of outrage to get you angry? Seems to me if you aren't just feigning anger that you would have been outraged before I quoted the post. The post I responded to had been on this site for quite a while.

Fair.

You're missing my point completely or more likely avoiding it. My point isn't that UND didn't suspend the players, as I've said, this happens at every school. So stop bringing Beck up, it has no relevance in the discussion. My point is that UND fans aren't outraged by the fact that the players weren't suspended. It gets brushed under the rug when it's your players, but is on the front page of every discussion board and blog when it's NDSU players.