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The theory behind your argument is sound, but have you seen what you theorize? Just asking. I went to school at UND with a NA who I became friends with. He went back to a reservation to do all the things you talk about, but got sucked back into the same "culture" that is prevelent and still exists. Is that racist? Depending on what colored glasses you are looking thru. Until the reservation mentality changes there won't be change as they see educated NAs who try to come back to make a difference as being too "white".

People in this state know what their "history" has been over the past few decades and unfortunately that is what will be remembered...not their honorable "heritage" of years ago.

Enough with any communication with the Sioux tribes. Change tha name on the time table set by UND. Make Indian students adhere to the same admission criteria as their peers. I can see someone challenging the INMED program if the nickname/logo is changed. Was at a FB game a couple of years ago and was standing at the north endzone walk-way. Struck up a conversation with a professor within the Engineering dept. about the logo/nickname issue. This person said that 3M was looking to grant 2 full scholarships to Indian student within the Engineering department. The problem, according to this prof., was that they could NOT find 2 QUALIFIED Indians student to give the scholarships to as their math skills were not even close to the other students applying for a slot in the engineering program. So proceed as UND sees fit and own their own terms and treat the Indian students EQUALLY as their peers and then what to hear the cries of "Injustice' again down the road.

Take away the two 6 goal games and that leaves 14 goals in the remaining 7 games...not the proper output for the overall talent UND has.

2 things that I am thankful for this NFL season: 1) Favre--Still one of the most exciting players to watch game in and game out. 2) Ziggy kidnapping Childress from boarding a plane to interview in Titletown so the Vikings could sign him. His reign so far has been Steckle-like GO PACK GO

We have a winner!!

I do get and understand the point you are making. Not that long ago, David Gipp, president of United Tribes Technical College in Bismarck, ND, was qouted as saying UND's "meddling" in this 3 year negotation period will cause "untold damage" in the "lives of good people and families". When I hear that I think what truly is at the root of the "real" "untold damage" to his people. Maybe the issues mentioned above? But again there is no voice from Indian leadership on these issues. So I see what you are saying, but to the average "white" person looking in from the outside on this issue, it doesn't seem to be reasonable when the Indian community in this state has so many more preceived "pressing" issues. Have a good day as well.

Priorities--that is the issue that I have and probably lots of other "whites". If the logo/name is their priority, then they have MORE issues than are preceived. They don't seem to care as you NEVER hear anything about the issues and what they are doing about them. Same social issues--yes, but to the alarming rates as other ethnic groups (in this state)?? You could do better than that. Stereotyping--again another PC mantra for ignoring the real issues. By the way, you seem to have a pretty good handle on stereotyping yourself. Again, you see this one way, and your opinion is taken under asdvisement, but I see it another and I'll leave it at that.

The issues that I think we'll agree to disagree on is the hypocritical defenses. The Anti-Sioux crowd tends to be of one of 2 factions--PC crowd or Native Americans. Now do they have a right to their opposition--again YES. But the PC group barks at anything they deem not right or correct. The Indian oppositon is because of how they feel, and I have seen written and heard, "violated, racism, abused"...all of which are probably more than valid. BUT where is the PC/Indian crowd in voicing their concerns with the true Native American issues that have plagued generations after generations. You want to talk about hypocritical?? A name and logo are bigger issues to Native Americans than high rate of teen pregnancies, single family homes, high school drop-outs, alcoholism, should I continue? It would be refreshing to hear Jeanotte, His Horse Is Thunder and all the other Indian "leaders" address real issues with the same passion as they are in fighting the name/logo issue. But it is never as glamorous to clean one's own house as it is to try to point out the mess in someone else's house!

Gets back to being committed to the team and not yourself. Also speaks of integrity and character. Some people have it and some don't...AG?? All I know is AG is not with the TEAM!

Flew back from the West Regional last year seated next to Lammy's girlfriend at that time. IF he's still dating her and if it was her, I would be shocked! She seemed like a real sweet young lady, but as my Grandma always said, "Pretty is as pretty does"

According to AG's father in the GF herald, AG left due to lack of "playing" time??? Sounds like AG got caught in the middle of a power "play".

Totally agree. Too much "me" plus his father's influence/opinion in this equation equals AG gone.

If everyone holds serve, we'll get Winona back at the Alerus for another 50+ point playoff drubbing.

This team is talented plain and simple. They played their first poor game of the year and those things happen when you are dealing with 18-20+ year olds. Now if they get swept at WI then a red flag might go up. The first 2 lines are solid. What I am amazed by is how the team is getting almost nothing from Miller and Zajac. Those 2 have too much talent to have done so little so far. The 4th line is what it is...a 4th line. The D has been solid but not great. Phil has been outstanding overall. Don't forgot CC has lots of speed and talent. They, along with UND, more than likely be 2 of the top 3 teams when the WCHA race is all said and done. They have 8 leagues games before Christmas break and I see them getting no less than 10 points.

Actually thought the 4th line had some good moments early but struggled later as Forney's tank seemed to get empty midway thru the 2nd. Don't like Radke tonight. Why play him when CC struggles to score 5 on 5? Radke is good for 3 trips to the box tonight if he suits up! If there is a better 2-way player in college hockey than Oshie, let me know! Thought Finley was totally suprised early by some of CC's players speed. Looked like a pylon early, but played much better there after. JLP made some unremarkable saves early, but I'm sure he feels he should have stopped the 2 he let in. I thought Walsky was the fastest player on the ice, but our guys did a nice job containing him (and Seatt and Rau.) Think the boys will play just as well tonight...UND 5 CC 3.

One touchdown game at half, but UND pulls away late. UND 27 SCSU 10

I think tonight will be a 1 goal game (flip a coin) decided on a bounce here of there: 4-3 UND. UND rolls Sat. 5-2. I'll say sweep, but I would not be at all suprised if CC wins tonight.

Exactly my concern. Unless UND can broker some type of long-term "lease" agreement with the tribes to use the Sioux name during this 3 year period, I would not want a "day to day" agreement with the Indian leadership we have come to know and love over past number of years!

She must have lunch regularly with Leigh Jeanotte...same lame rhetoric from both over the past few months.

Softer than Britney Spear's mid-section at the MTV Music Awards

Always interesting to see the polls. UND splits with Tech in MI. UND gives up it's only goals of the year in a loss on Fri. and Tech is not even in the game during Saturday's rout, yet Tech goes up 1 spot and UND drops a spot. Now I know Miami is 6-0, but are they the best team in the nation?? No. Is BC the 2nd best team in the BSC FB poll?? Probably not. It is polls that make boards and threads like this going.