nd1sufan
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18 minutes ago, FSSD said:
Again, one of the advantages of having the current setup is that UND could use bonds for the building of the Betty. UND didn't have to wait for all the fund raising like NDSU and BSA.
http://www.theralph.com/about-the-arena/the-betty
$8 million dollar facility
Current balance: 1.4 million - maturity date of 2020.
To all the Bison fans - have you paid the Fargo Dome for the upgrades completed as part of the move to FCS? Just asking for a friend.
The Fargodome is actually generally profitable and pays for most upgrades on their own, and they don't take 52% of the FB, BB and VB ticket revenue. I know, I don't get it. It really does take collecting 52% of all ticket revenue from a school to make n arena function. UND is on the cutting edge and when all other schools realize they are doing it wrong, they will feel like fools. But I for one am sure glad NDSU didn't get the kind of "donation" UND got from the Engelstad's.
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23 hours ago, Walsh Hall said:
You do realize there are expenses relating the ticketing/accounting... that entail the 52/48 breakdown? You do realize that if the REA wasn't handling the duties that there would be expenses to hire all the staff and other related expenses to get this done? There is a difference between gross income and net income.
To think the hockey program is the beneficiary of this "issue" is laughable. To think the football program is harmed by this issue is laughable.
The football team needs to get better. Getting better has zero to do with the this ticketing issue and the hockey team/REA.
I do realize that there are expenses to selling tickets. But if those expenses are costing you 52% of the ticket revenue, you are doing it wrong. The staff at the REA selling FB tickets will be there anyway selling for other events. If it would take say 5 to 10% that would be reasonable for FB tickets. If UND hired one or two people to sell FB tickets on their own, maybe it would cost them 15 to 20%, not anywhere close to 52%.
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14 hours ago, darell1976 said:
I jumped into the boat that had the point of all ticket sales for football should NOT be in the hands of the REA but into the hands of the university and the Alerus. I know you don’t agree with that but that’s my view and his view and the view of others and you can make fun of those who don’t agree with you, just says a lot of your character.
I would just ask supporters of this ticket revenue practice to find other D1 schools that have 52% of their ticket revenue taken off the top by the venue they PLAY THE EVENTS in, much less events they have nothing to do with putting on the event. It is a fair question.
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4 hours ago, darell1976 said:
UND still has the Hyslop so technically they still have a home for basketball and volleyball. But it won’t come to that as they both need each other.
That is true, but my guess is if UND threatened to move BB and VB, the REA’s response would be “where are you going to play hockey”. But you are right, they both need each other.
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9 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:
OMG how hard is this for you to understand.
0.0% OF THE TICKET REVENUE LEAVES UND!
The ENGELSTAD foundation is generously donating money that WAS NOT GENERATED BY UND ATHLETICS!!!!!! or ever associated with teh Ralph Engelstad Arena!!
This has been explained and proven numerous times on here and sheeple just jeep returning to trying to push a narative of money being misdirected by some "evil" organization.
Pathetic.
I get it now. I wouldn't have pegged the Engelstads as re-distributionists, but that is what they are doing. They want to collect most of the athletic revenue at UND and then donate the extra revenue, after all of their expenses are covered, back to UND so they can earmark it for the hockey program, Genius.
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2 hours ago, Cratter said:
The former administration also agreed to it, must not be nearly as bad in the big picture as some people think.
Because they wanted the arena so badly they would have agreed to anything. Now they need The Ralph and The Betty so badly they have to agree to anything the REA puts in front of them. Hockey, volleyball and mens and womens basketball would be without a home without them. UND has ZERO bargaining power and the REA is taking full advantage, But don't worry, I am sure the REA will use some of that FB ticket revenue to put in a new hot tub in the mens hockey locker room. Maybe even put one in Berry's office.
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14 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:
OMG how hard is this for you to understand.
0.0% OF THE TICKET REVENUE LEAVES UND!
The foundation is generously donating money that WAS NOT GENERATED BY UND ATHLETICS!!!!!!
This has been explained and proven numerous times on here and sheeple just jeep returning to trying to push a narative of money being misdirected by some "evil" organization.
Pathetic.
So if the REA foundation is so generous with their money, why not just say we will take a reasonable percentage of ticket revenue from events held at REA or The Betty, maybe 25%, and not any from football. If they can't recover operating expenses from that ticket revenue, parking and concessions revenue, plus other Non-UND events, that is ok, That would be just an additional donation?
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6 hours ago, bison73 said:
Please explain how UND FB money would end up in Fargo?
52% of all of UND FB ticket revenue ends up with the REA. So in reality, nobody knows where that 52% ends up. UND should collect all of the FB ticket revenue and pay the Alerus rent fro the days they have games there. But it sounds like UND administrators really wanted the $100 million arena "gift" that they were willing to give the REA anything they wanted. They will continue to struggle funding sports other than mens hockey until the ridiculous ticket revenue agreement expires. No venue should be entitled to that much of the ticket revenue even if they are hosting the event.
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1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said:
NDSU has a long history of negative recruiting so I wouldn’t bring that up if I were you.
Examples? We should probably focus on the current staffs at both schools since they are the only ones relevant today. I don't care what Bohl, Hager, Thomas or Mussman did. They are long gone.
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10 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
Who cares?? The mom needed the kid to flip her.....what?? No one should be surprised at how shallow and superficial some are.
On the flip side, a long time banker/insurance guy I know, from up north by Hoople, graduated from NDSU but now has season tickets at UND because of the "pompous a--holes" that fill the Fargo dome. (his words, not mine) But I suppose that story doesn't write as well.
When Fargo N. elementary sends classes to NDSU to run around on the field with some football players my girls insist on full head-to-toe UND. They say the players are really nice to them and joke about it, not a big deal. That impresses me more than some 'fan flipper' that probably never went to a UND football game anyway.
Well I guess there are enough "pompous a-holes" to fill a section of seats the students gave up with more wanting tickets on a waiting list. And that one section will generate just about as much revenue as the UND football program will generate in ticket revenue for the entire season.Like it or not, NDSU football is like UND hockey. There are NDSU football fans that are UND hockey fans, always have been, and there are a growing number of UND hockey fans that are becoming NDSU football fans, I work with several UND fans that back in the 1990's and early 2000's followed and went to UND FB games. They don't care about UND FB anymore, They actually follow NDSU now and have gone to some games and are regular tailgaiters when they can't get tickets.
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2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
Every name I've sent their direction, sophomore on up, the staff 1) knows the kid 2) is following the kid 3) has the kid scheduled for a camp
I don't know all the rules and regs so I won't say any names but it is Moorhead to the lakes area kids.
Maybe Bubba needs a better recruiting coordinator than Gundy1124...
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5 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
That's what I said? OK.......
Actually you said these two kids are too slow and have no chance to play LB at the FCS level. I would say 15 FCS coaches in one case and in the other just as many FCS, FBS and even a couple of P5 schools disagree with you. Even your head coach would disagree with you. I would take their talent evaluation skills over yours.
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4 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
Ok Professor-
I bet Deluca is a 4.55 hand held.
If these kids are 4.8 fully automatic that is actually not too bad. But 4.8 hand held is pretty much carrying a piano.
So no, a 4.8 hand held isn't going to step in at FCS. But I am sure you know all this. The way recruiting is, who reports their slowest possible time....???
Continue fondling your Deluca fat head poster.
Well I stand corrected. I guess Klieman and his staff don't have a clue what they are doing. But I guess these kids have a lot of schools and staffs fooled, even the Almighty Bubba, so I guess they shouldn't feel too bad.
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10 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
I assume these guys are running better than 4.8 or project to. You can't play LB effectively with a 4.8 40 in college, FCS. Better speed up or move to DE, but 6' 2" is a little borderline for DE, 230 is great size heading into Sr. yr. 200 isn't too bad either I guess, nothing too impressive.
So these guys are right in the ball park for FCS players. Let's not hyperventilate.
Nick DeLuca runs a 4.8. He wasn't too bad of a college linebacker. Do you think he played effectively at the FCS level? Probably could have played at a lot of P5 schools and very well may make an NFL roster this season. But I guess he wouldn't have been good enough to play UND. You need to react quickly to your reads and be quick to the ball to play LB. You don't really need great straight line speed.
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21 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
Sad how true it’s become isn’t it
I saw the Tom Miller article about the feud. Does the REA really get 52% of the ticket revenue for football games at the Alerus?
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On 2/25/2018 at 9:15 PM, gundy1124 said:
Here is what I make of It-
Tomorrow, I am going to not review the list and instead grab a cone from Dairy Queen. It will be way more satisfying and I will still know the same (probably more) as those that looked at the list.
Yep, you will. Because Bubba knows more about evaluating talent than any sports writers, scouting services or any other college coaches in the country. Just look at his D1 track record. While you are right, these lists and services are not always right and kids are missed, but when you are relying on almost all other D1 coaches to miss on 90% of your recruits, you may not be recruiting and getting the best talent.
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13 hours ago, darell1976 said:
Anyone can beat anyone. Too bad we won’t find out until 2020, maybe by then NDSU will be down, USD and SDSU will be battling SIU for a conference title. Who knows. I don’t have 2020 vision.
Yes, anything is possible. Anybody can beat anybody on any given Saturday, but if you go 8-0 in the MVFC you are championship caliber team. People have been predicting an NDSU downfall for 5 years now. i wouldn't count on it.
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5 hours ago, darell1976 said:
Injuries crushed this season. 2018 will be different.
So you think if UND were going into the MVFC next season they would be competing for a conference championship? Perhaps even running the table and going 8-0 like they did in 2016 in the BSC? BSC = MVFC in your mind top to bottom? You really think that?
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Just now, jdub27 said:
Kind of like Richman did last night saying his players went away from the game plan?
He said he needs to do a better job of installing and making sure his players know the game plan. He said it was on him to make sure that happens.
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10 minutes ago, UND Fan said:
Again, I agree with everything you just said. There have been Big Sky coaches who readily have said positive things about Jones over the last few years - solely for the purpose of his being retained. He is not respected for his coaching around the league but they sure have hoped he wouldn't be replaced.
Who will Jones blame tonight? The kids for going rogue on defense again like after the Bison game? The assitant coaches? The basketball ops guys for bad travel arrangements? Only one guy is safe, and that is himself. He is never the reason. I hate it when coaches blame the players publically for losing. Any coach, I don't care if they coach for my team or anybody elses team. It tells you a lot about the coach.
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4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Exactly. The next AD will have no allegiance to any of the coaches in place right now.
For UND fans I truly hope the new AD makes a move on Jones. If I were a fan of the rest of the Summit I would hope they keep him. I was happy for Hooker that he got to experience the NCAA tournament last year, he is a really good kid that I wish would have picked NDSU, but I am afraid it bought Jones a few more years. As much as I would like to have him keep coaching there as a Bison fan, I hope he doesn't get renewed. He doesn't deserve it.
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6 minutes ago, homer said:
Your program is not in any better shape. Kick a kid off the team and than have a change of heart to keep the only scoring you have. Life lessons.
Who got kicked off the team then invited back. I must have missed something.
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9 minutes ago, UND-1 said:
Where were you last year? Gawd your an idiot.
Richman is a real genius, too. Give Daum 35, hell of a game plan. How many players have quit in the past couple years, btw?
If you think Jones is a better coach than Richman you are the idiot. You had Coach Hooker last year. He made up for lack of coaching by Jones by leading the team on the floor. You don't have a Hooker this year. The other players received the leadership and direction from Hooker last year that offset the imcompetance of the head coach. Daum is a good player thatmay just get a little bit of favorable treatment from the refs. He would have scored 50 on Jones team if he had to. But the lack of defense on EVERYBODY that night made it unneccessary for him to score more than the 25 or so he had. I believe Tom Miller tweeted in the first half of that game Daum may get 50.
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10 minutes ago, Kab said:
The sheer lack of coaching is evident in this game
lack of d1players and lack of d1coaches
I would guess there is a contract extension for Coach Jones in the near future. They have no money for coaches outside the hockey program. They know they can't hire a competent D1 coach for $100,000/year, so they will keep him until he gets an offer to move on. Good luck.
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My question is why is UND so reliant on funds from the state? 43% compared to 29% for NDSU. You are right, if the state continues to lower funding to Higher Ed, it will affect UND much more than NDSU.