ScottM

Huh. That's what I see on my two degrees from the school too.

Frankly, I would have jumped on as soon as Dalrymple signed it. But there may be some strategic, and more political, value to letting this play out to some degree, and then have the Supreme Court kill it. Even Clueless Al seems to have retreated from the statute's efficacy. It may also explain why so many of the politicos backing the repealer were so quiet lately.

They'll do as the NC$$ "suggests" ,,, such as "Why bring in a new member with an albatross of moniker that could potentially affect the conference as a whole?"

No, but we may be treated to Fetch's "family pictures" instead of a lucid response.

Obviously, Fullerton has been misled by those of us who actually care about the university. However, I do like his even-handed take on this mess. But Grant Shaft, president of the State Board of Higher Education, said the board likely will ask the state Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of the revived nickname law. It's about damn time.

Thanks for making me laugh during a boring teleconference ...

Who's to say the teams need to revert to their old unis, or that all of the recent "scrubbing" of the Sioux name and moniker needs to be reversed? There's no provision that requires the name to be present on correspondence, websites, unis, the side of Twamley or anyplace else. The law can say anything it wants, but the school and Board seem to have a great deal of penalty-free discretion to determine how they comply with it. The bouncyball and football unis generally do not have they moniker or name, are they out of compliance now? They removed those touchpoints years ago. Plain generic uniforms and continued bland "University of North Dakota" references may be "a way" to comply with "the law" and possibly the settlement.

I love the Fighting Sioux but I don't see that as an issue worth fighting over," Carlson said. "I don't see that we should be running penalties up You lying hypocrite.

But you can take comfort in the fact they're "standing up to the NC$$", and protecting the heritage of those poor souls in Indian Country, so they can trot around in their sweat-stained Sioux jerseys. I'm sure our teams will appreciate that when taking a bus to play Alcorn State in Bumf**k, Oklahoma in the nascent Indy League playoffs, along with Juanita's School of Hair Sculpture, as well as Bud's Institute of Bail Bonding and Bartending.

This issue was settled in 2007, and UND was given three years to get two tribes' approval. It did not obtain the necessary approvals in the required timeframe. Now with this current morass, UND can expect its athletic teams to be sanctioned accordingly. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept. And most likely, the women's hockey team will be the first to feel those sanctions.

IIRC both SR and SL leadership at the time of the settlement were either hostile or neutral towards UND's fight to keep the Sioux moniker. I believe a previous SL administration told Kupchella it wasn't their fight at some point. Yeah, pipe ceremonies are nice relics, but have the legal force of a handshake. I find it interesting that Chewy is actually advocating a legal relativism. Justice Scalia would not be pleased.

I love how he uses "PC" terms like "hate crime" to decry PC ...

Binding on whom? Certainly it may be binding on those who actually participated in the ceremony, but is it subject to comity, or some other recognition of foreign law? Moreover, if the ceremony did have any legally binding, rather than culturally binding, effect in 2005-2007, why was this "contract" not recognized at the time UND was prosecuting its litigation against the NC$$?

But it's reflective of our national discourse.

Yeah, it all kind of reminds me of the long-lost friend who wants to borrow $20 from you again, and promises to pay you back the next time he sees you. Again, Personally, I think it's disengenuous to suddenly wrap ourselves in the Kumbaya stuff when the vast majority of people in North Dakota don't really care what happens in Indian Country. If the Sioux moniker wasn't an issue, and SL was pushing for ownership of say ... most of the Bakken based on some ancient, newly-found treaty, I doubt the moniker advocates would be so "friendly" to them. And it also begs the question of where our "friends" were in 2005 onward when the fight really mattered.

Dave, your disdain for the university and its student-athletes is well-known. Don't compound it by demonstrating your own idiocy too.

I think about the different outcomes, and doubt it was partisan, especially since Hoeven as governor when the H&A list came out. Do most North Dakota polticos really care about Indian Country anyway? IIRC Florida's congressional delegation was a mix of Dems and GOP, and look at the FSU result. I also wonder why those who made it such a political matter recently didn't lean on the delegation to look at the NC$$ directly last summer. Anybody with a mail order GED or better could tell you that any legislation passed in Bismarck would have zero impact on the NC$$. Said it before, and I'll say it again, anybody signing petitions should not vote for any incumbents in North Dakota's delegation this November. Put your money and votes where your mouth is.

If Stenjhem had prosecuted the litigation himself, that might be worth a "hail Mary", especially if we had pictures of Myles Brand and Wayne downing pitchers of Mai-Tais in a secluded bar ... However, we did have a very good outside firm working our end. Frankly, we got hosed because NoDak's congressional delegation never said "boo!" about the whole thing, or about the NC$$. We had zero leverage to fight the NC$$ in a meaningful way. Compare North Dakota's MIA congressmen to those of Florida, Utah and even Ilinois when the H&A list came out, and look at the contrasting results.

Precisely. Whatever Stenjhem signed in 2007 he did so in his capacity as Attorney General on behalf of the people of North Dakota, and it is binding now and forever, and it binds his "heirs, successors and assigns", to thow out some boiler plate settlement language. The reason people settle is to have some finality to the case, and avoid the uncertainty and costs of litigation. Generally the only way a settlement can be modified or vacated is by the consent of both parties, or if one party breaches the agreement. None of which has happened here. UND and the board agreed to a contract's terms, and the NC$$ has every right to hold up its end by imposing sanctions on UND and its student-athletes. I'm not sure why certain people presume that somehow Kelley et al. were responsible for this mess. However, I suspect in their quest to use UND as a political pawn they started to believe their own drivel, and have started writing checks UND will need to cash. As I've stated before, these people do not care about the university or its students, but only seek to hang the moniker around the school's neck like an albatross for their own myopic, political ends. And in some cases so they can wander around REA with their beer soaked Sioux jerseys and not look as foolish as they do here. The settlement was and is fully enforceable. No amount of political posturing, wrapping oneself in the US Constitution or the Rights of Man or the Magna Carta, and no number of illegible petitions and pointless lawsuits by people who have no standing will change that. UND and its students are being hung out to dry by Carlson, Hennen, Soderstrom, etc,

Nope. Their hoplessly conflicted attorney Reed Soderstrom is also behind the petitions. That's about it. He seeks to enshrine the Sioux moniker in the North Dakota Constitution, which could effectively deprive SL of any claim to it. Without that claim (property right) they probably cannot make their case against the NC$$. As far as the NC$$ is concerned, their litigation with UND and the state ended in 2007 with the settlement. UND is bound by that agreement and can now be sanctioned accordingly. "It's not [political], it's business".- Michael Corleone "The Godfather"

Save it for what? People like you, who could give two shits about them or their school?

Good strategy, coach. Give up your home ice advantage so some myopic losers can still cling to a moniker,.

I never realized Scott Hennen had such antipathy for the university.

Come on, women's hockey doesn't matter.

I was actually taking a shot at the larger concept whereby the NC$$ rakes in millions of dollars as the result of student-athletes and then subjects them to near-serf status before and during college, and often sees fit to dig into their families' finances as well. Even the various Olympic committees have seen fit to abandon the fiction of the "amateur" athlete.