Redneksioux

You realize that covid is now our third leading leading cause of death right? Unlike heart disease and cancer it is contagious. We could do nothing and see if it can bypass those two.

Maybe we should start throwing pipe bombs at the protestors like this guy... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/portland-police-seek-former-navy-seal-investigation

they were not planning for full time in person classes they were planning for online only or a hybrid model.

Not that it matters but there’s plenty of info out there from three weeks ago stating this school was planning on either a part time hybrid plan or entirely online, with a final decision coming this week.

That’s odd, his parents are choosing what school he goes to. What happened to distant learning not being the answer and schools must reopen?

Some doctors disagree... https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c05025#

A nursing home can only control so much when asympomatic employees could bring it in with no rapid test. And People like me? Honestly I’d just like to see better mask usage put in place but then we’ve got the anti mask crowd claiming it infringes on their civil liberties and guys like you claiming evidence of herd immunity as the answer when there’s no evidence. A high school senior needing to go to prom vs the need to attempt to save some lives....now this is entitlement. flame on!

We'd need a plan at the federal level for starters.

I know New Zealand is a much smaller scale, but they've been successful. We should consider mirroring what they have done on a much larger scale.

No I'm not saying that. I believe vendors at most would be required to wear masks and sanitize. But are gowns being used by vendors? And is ppe being discarded when going from patient to patient? This just isn't possible because they don't have enough ppe to follow standard infection control practices that have been used in hospitals for years. Yes six months into this and we still don't have the needed PPE. The best solution I'm aware of right now is to attempt to reduce the number of infected coming in and in order to do so we need to reduce the number infected in the general public. A rapid test before entering would do wonders too.

Theoretically if there were less individuals infected, less would get into the nursing homes right? Actually masks have worked pretty well for Asia, I understand they wear them based on their past experiences with viruses as well. Also check out how New Zealand has fared.

As far as I know, it hasn’t been fully vetted out. I’d hope symptomatic individuals wouldn’t be showing up to work in a nursing home at this point though. Could be getting in from vendors or visitors too. Or on packages? Or all the above.

More than likely it is asymptomatic staff. You can't expect PPE to be 100% foolproof in a medical facility when it's being re-used because there's not enough to change it out between patients. If you go into Hugo's or a basketball game and are an asymptomatic carrier, you definitely are not helping the situation. Plus Hugo's is asking you to wear a mask while in their store, why do you feel a need to go in without one?

I understand a virus needs a host. So I will ask again, where in your article is the evidence that herd immunity is the answer? In the nursing home's case, I'd argue that maybe it would help if there was less of the virus coming into the facility. But that would infringe on too many others' civil liberties right?

Elaborate for me then. Specifically how does the article provide evidence that herd immunity is the answer to covid19? Or is my question too difficult for you to comprehend?

No need to feel sorry for me, though I'm sorry you are struggling to comprehend the meaning of evidence. While I see what you are saying, this is not what it says in your article that you claimed as evidence. Where is the evidence from your article that you can claim herd immunity is the answer to Covid 19? You realize the nursing home in Grand Forks is currently experiencing an outbreak right? Are you suggesting they should have their employees to retract their oathes, get rid of PPE, and just let this thing make it's way through so we can hurry up and get to your evidence based theory of herd immunity with Covid19? Why do you think they are going back to lockdown mode? Is Valley Senior Living ran by a bunch of liberals?

Explain to me the evidence your article provides that herd immunity is the answer.

I read it. The point of the article was to dig into why some people are asymptomatic while others get sever side effects. It goes on to say that some who were recently infected by another coronavirus (Mers or sars) May have some sort of immunity from T cells rather than antibodies. did you read it? How does this article provide evidence that herd immunity is the answer? Where in the first couple paragraphs did you understand that?

What evidence In your link suggests herd immunity is the answer?

My bad I mis-read. Still not the same person. thanks for being considerate for others And carry on with the antifa posts.

I wonder if you are often wrong. What thugs have I parroted?

sure as long as you keep that stance once you infect your grandmother.

It's not the flu, but it's a respiratory disease spread by droplets, or is it airborne, I guess that depends what medical expert or hospital system you listen to. The fact of the matter is, masks help. There's a doctor that post here frequently, and I have reason to believe he's not on the left side. Even he has stated that masks help. Real world studies would be nice but I'm not aware of any. It's not too hard to go back and look how mask use in asian countries have assisted in overcoming past epidemics though. these countries have also had a better covid19 outcomes... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624082657.htm As for precedants, there's shaming going on on both sides....I've been shamed here for supporting mask use, been called a sheep, or even today was told my mother never should have opened her legs. I understand there's whackos on both sides. Not going to try and fix stupid.

I know you aren't an anti-masker, you're a Bison fan but I won't hold that against you:) Here's the NIH study... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/ and here's the study that even shows the effectiveness of different types of masks... https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0016018

Are masks being worn with 100% compliance? Have you seen any studies show that masks not working are the reason for continued spread in California? Instead of the KNOX drivel, I will listen to this.... https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent#:~:text=But health experts say the,people wearing masks%2C the better. and https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 and https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html and https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know