dagies
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I suppose you are right....but still....the kid is way too talented to only have 28 points. A lot of gopher fans I know admit that he mailed it in after the world junior tournament.
He was tired.
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just a observation for you fortunate to be at the final 5
you will be watching 4 of the top 6 teams in the nation in many polls and 5 of the top 11. ive always thought this was the best tourney all around of the season to watch! have fun and make the X = The Ralph St. Paul
I talked with a former Sioux player who had won both a Final Five and National Championship. He said he thought it was harder to win the Final Five because the WCHA tournament is always packed with the top teams in the country, especially once you get to the Final Five. In the NCAA's you will usually end up meeting top teams in the nation but you don't have to go through so many good teams to win it all.
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Section 104 Row 2, right by the penalty box. Same seats we've had for the Final Five since the X opened. You used to be able to find me in a Hoogsteen jersey, now it'll be Parise. Come on down and say hello!
Dave
OMG, all these years looking down and seeing Hoogsteen. Won't be the same. We're in row 11.
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Since it will be my first time at the Xcel and the Final Five, I'll have trouble being fine with the Sioux losing Thursday, because, I want to see them on Friday and Saturday also.
Totally understand that.
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I've been mulling this around too. Now don't get me wrong - I want the Sioux to win. I want them to get the trophy. I want to keep pushing ahead, and maybe squeeze into the last 1 seed.
But if they lose thursday night, send everyone home healthy, and get some rest for the regional - I am way cool with that too.
I feel about exactly the same way. I'll be cheering for them to win on Thursday but maybe just has happy if they lose.
I was at the game and Frattin left his feet to make the hit. The photos included in Siouxcia's post confirm that. Clearly charging and clearly he was going after the other guy.(he confirmed that himself). If the league is going to prevent the crap that everyone complains about (like the Marvin hits) then you can't complain about this.It is pretty entertaining to read how some theorize what the other kid could have done differently or how the physicis workds out. . Look at the photos. I took college physics from Dr. Olen Kraus and he would have said the only other thing the Gopher kid could have done was quickly crap his pants. Frattin was not going after the puck.
What is wrong is that Marvin, who clearly was trying to hurt an opponent, wasn't suspended for at least a month or longer if not the year. That would send a message and would be the quickest way to protect the players. Anyone who thinks those hits are part of the college game needs to get off the bar stool and get out more. Explain to Genoway (who Lucia said was the leagues best player) who lost his senior year. Do you want to be able to see those quality players or do you want to pump your fist when one of the opponents gets knocked out of a game? In comparison, the Frattin hit isn't as bad and I don't think he meant to hurt the Gopher, but there is no excuse for a cheap hit against an opponent. If you are going to do that don't hit the little guys. Go after one of their goons. UND cannot afford any of these stupid penalties if they are going tomake a run at a title.
The problem with the league and McLeod is the lack of consistency. Mcleod doesn't need to explain his reasononing to the fans. He needs to explain to the team and the coaches. I am pretty sure the players and coaches know this is not a legal hit.
Frattin has been a difference maker and it will hurt not to have him.
I almost completely agree with this post. I don't think it's a problem to "go after the other guy". That's what you do when you are making a check. I think by definition of the charging and contact to the head rules Frattin is probably getting what he deserves. My point is that I don't think he was head hunting. I don't think it was a dirty hit. I think it was almost a clean hit that went too far. I'm not too upset with the suspension because this was a very close call for the refs and the league to have to make.
Sioux fans clamored all year for huge discipline on Marvin. Now, in a borderline situation our guy gets 1 game and some of us are just as outraged. Can't have it both ways. It's not the same type of infraction, I know that. But the WCHA was in a spot. We can already tell from the outcry in MN that had the WCHA NOT handed down a suspension ever fan and coach who wanted to rip the WCHA had an easy target. It's a borderline call and this time the WCHA chose to at least appear that they wanted to protect the player.
And that's what Sioux fans have been asking for all year.
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He would have bounced off at a different angle if he hadn't jumped into the hit. The angle he moves at doesn't make any sense otherwise. There is no way that he would bounced up. Wehrs would have had to be pushing back for that to happen, and he didn't. The only way he could have left his feet under power other than his own would be if Wehrs was trying to hit him back and there is no way he could have, he dropped like a stone.
My physics education is not as fresh as yours, nor maybe as complete, but up is still an angle, is it not?
2 cars in a head on collision, and one has a lower bumper than the other...may cause the higher bumper car to ride up and over, rather than to the right or left?
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I've watched the Frattin hit about 12 times and I notice that his feet only leave the ice after the hit is made...kinda of like riding up on wehr when he made the hit...wehr slide low whilst he moved up....I don't see him launching off of his skates prior to the hit. I would ask everyone to slow down the hit right before contact and you can see his feet are solidly on the ground. My 2 cents...
BobIwabuchiFan
I agree. It might be simple physics. As Frattin said on the radio, he just overpowered the guy. The photos show that at the point of the most violent part of the contact Frattin's feet are still on the ice. However, Wehrs goes down and that energy has to go somewhere, so likely up. One guy bounced one way, the other went the other way.
However, Wehrs's head probably hits on Frattin's shoulder and so that may still be cause for the contact to the head discipline.
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The crowd sounded wonderful on TV. Both Gregoire and Hakstol tipped their caps to the fans on the TV postgame.
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Which Gopher team will show up tonight? Odds say it will be Friday's team since the Gophers haven't seemed to show up for two games in row yet this year.
I see it differently but I hope you're right. I'd rather be the team that won the 2nd game. I would think they've got the confidence and the mo.
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There was one instance of a Gopher blatantly holding a Sioux player's stick that I couldn't believe wasn't called. On the same shift MacWilliam was slashed before the puck was dropped and was deliberately speared in the back of the leg well after the whistle had blown.
I'll agree that the Gophers didn't make it that hard of a game to call.
I should be a little careful. I watched it on TV and you probably watched it in person. That was my opinion, anyway.
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Last night after we went up by two the power play opportunities were Minnesota 5, Sioux nothing. Don't expect anything different tonight.
In my opinion, though, I didn't think the refs missed calling any penalties on the gophers last night for the most part. I thought they did a pretty good job. The fact that the gophers didn't commit any penalties was just more evidence that they just weren't trying all that hard.
I thought the Sioux got away with at least a couple non-calls. For instance they should have got Blood for holding the stick in his own zone at one point.
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does anyone remember the quotes from 2004 either before or after the 3rd place final 5 game by andy schneider about pulling on a sioux jersey and it was either a gopher player or coach about it being a meaningless game?
I've got half of what you're asking for right here.
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Take your extraneous debate to PM's.
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I think it's going to be a very tough series and I think it will go to 3 games. I give the Sioux the edge but this is it for the gophers. Win or go home for the year. I don't think they will go out quietly.
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Is it just me, or does this page not work in Firefox?
Just you, I think, as I'm able to watch it in Firefox.
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Riiiiiiiiight. Named after Chief Pontiac of the Ottawa tribe. That would fix the NCAA and I am sure that they wouldn't mind at all.
I figure if it's good enough for the NCAA it's good enough for us, right?
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Fun game to watch. Canada appears to be more skilled but at a few crucial times missed open nets but hit the parts being filled by Miller. Heck, Kevin Spiewak can beat Miller.
Nothing wrong with being a little lucky to go along with hard working and opportunistic. Wow, is Kane good.
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The hit was a penalty but was it that cheap? Could it be he had Geoffrion lined up and Geoffrian hesitates just a moment and instead of a full broadside Marvin gets his head?
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Unbelievable. Suddenly some of the conspiracy theories pertaining to WCHA leadership don't sound so far fetched.
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That said she does a nice job following Minnesota born players after their college careers, though I'm not sure how they feel about it.
Stalking?
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Just hurting my shoulder pattin' myself in the back.
I say if you got it, flaunt it.
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He just got one!
Talkin' to yourself?
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Motzko said last night that maybe SCSU got away with a little highway robbery. Maybe the posse caught them up tonite.
Now, to hold on.
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