dagies
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Here's what I don't understand:
A majority picked "Fighting Hawks"; yet, it sounded like a majority of the arena responded negatively toward it.
My theory, in hindsight.
The voting was open to the various stakeholder groups of which we are all familiar but I won't list here because I'll forgot someone. BUT, just because you are a student or an alumnus it doesn't mean you give a hoot about sporting events.
What is the nickname for? It's for the sports teams. There's very little point in having a nickname without the connection to your sports teams.
How many students give a rip about sports? And that translates through to alumni. Maybe there's a large % that really don't give a rip.
So if 2 of 3 students and alumni who love UND but don't care about sports are going to vote about a nickname, they probably aren't going to give a rip about whether there's 80 other teams with the same or similar name. "They asked me to vote, these are my choices, and Fighting Hawks sounds cool, so.....".
I mean, it's not a bad nickname in and of itself. it's just really bad to those of us know are more invested in the nickname and don't really care to be one of 80 hawk related nicknames. So I can see how someone who is not invested would select Fighting Hawks.
And that's my theory about the students and this weekend. The students at the games aren't the ones who voted for Fighting Hawks. It's the students who don't care about athletics who were given a choice and thought it sounded good. They're not at the games, so their support isn't obvious.
Maybe the next time instead of a committee they open it up to ticket holders instead (ok, I'm just having a little fun here). Tell everyone to show up 1 hour before the game if they care about the new nickname. Then, by measuring applause, they read off the 50 nickname options and measure the db of support each get.
The final 10 get reviewed similarly at the next game, and maybe that's culled down to 3 or so.
Then, a month later (after plenty of educational time on message boards) that final 3 get culled down to a finalist.
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Hope this team hasn't peaked already. Wow, what a weekend, and what a top line.
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It sounds like reality is setting in at UND. Fans booing Fighting Hawks, the same fans that wanted Fighting Hawks because of an acronym the students came up with. If you are going to boo the name you picked then why did you vote at all. It's just sad to me.
Well, there's a decent chance the students that go to hockey games aren't the students that voted for this nickname.
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Have to give credit to Johnson for giving the team the chance to put this game away. When this was still a tight context Johnson made a couple of very timely saves. Brandt mentioned those as the time and he was right.....if Johnson doesn't make a couple of those big, timely saves this could have been a very different game. Tip of the cap to Johnson...
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pretty much sends a message
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I'd prefer that association than with the bird. At least via image it would separate us from the rest of the flock
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I have a long history in the temp staffing industry. In many cases, temp professionals get a bigger paycheck than company direct employees for doing the same job. Why? fewer benefits, less security/stability.....Someone asked Ed if he'd step in and help out for an interim period. Only makes sense that he gets paid commensurate to what others would get in that job plus a little more to get him away from whatever else he was doing (even if it was nothing).
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And Night Ranger? Meh ... I need a touch, I need a touch of madness .
Did somebody say......Madness? One Step Beyond!
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You'll have to be more specific. Which white one and which lines?
I'd emphasize the outline, and remove the inside stuff. Make it less busy. I know from an artistic perspective why you have added some of the stuff that adds depth and dimension but for me and a logo you need/want only the bare minimum.
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I kind of like this white version.
I'm a simple logo guy. How would this look if you removed the colors, and just went white with black lines?
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Classless hockey, to be sure.
Surprising to me that St.Cloud didn't empty the bench after that. A hit like that often draws a stronger reaction from ones teammates.
Either Motzko has his team extremely well disciplined, or they don't have that team spirit in St Cloud (by the looks of it).
Not going to happen when your coach is pillow soft. He's one of the guys who have complained about the rough-tuff Sioux in the past, like his pal Donny Lucia ("seems like every time there's a fight UND is involved").
That said, SCSU does the right thing...they make you pay on the PP. So I give them credit there.
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imo....take the redshirt, if its an option.
I think he feels urgency to get out because if he doesn't Lucia might try to get him kicked out of the league
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http://danmyers.blogspot.com/2015/11/don-lucia-opines-on-all-things.html
Wow, old Lucia Pet is one arrogant douche.
Despite all of his arguments that he says are about what's best for the kids, this is what it all boils down to. Myers got him to admit it:
I continued, saying that in the eyes of some, this rule is self-serving because Minnesota is trying to eliminate recruiting advantages smaller schools have gained over the last two decades by getting these older players.“So they are looking out for their program, and I am looking out for ours," he said.-
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Maybe we could use a thread on good chants, sayings or t-shirt ideas. For example, maybe a popular t-shirt for the masses that travel to out of town games, or to just describe our fan base might be a "Flawk of F'hawks". Or "Flawk of Fawks". :-)
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So I'm supposed to quit something just because you think it's offensive? Yup. Not gonna do that.
Like someone said earlier, of all the chants that those at the REA do, this one is probably the one that makes me the least squeamish. My wife would say the same thing. The orgy, condom and F*ck the XX chants are much more "offensive", particularly to children.
I haven't heard these but am only at REA about 1 weekend a year. But based on this I would agree with you.
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My point on this, and John Dahl hit on in too, is that it might have been clever that first time, but after a few repetitions it loses it's newness and devolves. it's like that guy with the goofy name that's fun to make fun of. You say take a little shot at him and he comes back with a bored look on his face saying "ah, never heard that one before". But if you keep going back to the well, then, who's the one who looks stupid? You end up looking like the dorky nephew who thinks it's funny to say when everyone else in the room is just rolling their eyes.
In this case, this is one cheer that lost its cleverness quite a long time ago, and moves into that realm where it just doesn't reflect well on the chanter. That's my opinion.
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EXACTLY. LETTER SENT.
same
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Angry logos try too hard. Confident logos are much stronger.
You said it here very well.
Ok, I love the most recent Sioux head logo as well as the previous Indian head logo from back in the '80's (my era in GF). That said, I think the best logos are VERY simple logos that are easily visible and identifiable either large or small, close or far away. These are images that are instantaneously identifiable and evoke the desired image of the team name/nickname. For example, some of the very best, IMO:
Dallas Cowboys star
Minnesota Vikings horns
Baltimore Colts horseshoe
San Diego Charger's lightningbolt
Oregon's "O"
Miami's "U"
Boston Red Sox "B"
UND Fighting Sioux geometric logo (hey, still the jersey I wear)
You know exactly what these are when you see them. Simple, straight forward, iconic, strong, attractive, etc.
This takes nothing away from a great image like the Brien logo. But I never bought a hat with that logo because once you are 10 feet away from it you don't know what it is. It's pretty good on the front of a jersey, and a bigger image on the front of a sweatshirt, but never would have come off well on the side of a football helmet, IMO.
Anyway, that's my take
(It's why I suggested the "Black Stripes" as a nickname option. 1 black censor bar on the jersey front, football helmet, or ball cap and everyone would have known what that was about. Ok, well, in a years they would have, but hope you get my drift)
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geaux: My advice is not worry about how it looks on a 1920x1080 full HDMI screen and more about how it'll look shrunk to fit on the front of a ball cap. If it is too complex it'll manufacture terribly and look even worse.
Yep, I love the most recent Sioux logo but shrunk down on a ball cap or similar it was too busy. A great, great logo, but IMO didn't merchandise well when small. Small needs very simple, uncluttered images.
I prefer the one with the black-tipped beak. I still think something needs to be done with the back feather, I'd either shrink or remove it. When the logo is shrunk down, it can end up looking like a beaked black blob. Perhaps it should be done in more of a charcoal gray so it doesn't drown out the other colors so much? Maybe make the eye all white rather than having the color strip at the bottom. Also, try coloring the area around the eye to make it more distinct. I'd also be interested in seeing it with heavier outlining/more color on the lower feathers to make them a bit more distinct.
Agree wit the black-tipped beak, and with the back feather.
geaux-sioux, I give you a lot of credit for all of the hard work you are doing. I couldn't do what you're doing. You did ask for feedback and one of the first things that comes to my mind is, while I think this is pretty cool looking and has potential, the first thing I see is a crow that had a bad night. I'm not exactly sure how to turn that into a hawk image that I think is great, and others are giving some good feedback. But that's just my take when I first see it. A crow that hasn't combed its feathers.
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Pick a product you like, any product. Look at it. Look at its packaging, its design, its logo. Look at its advertising. 99.9999% of all of that was created by professionals. And whatever input the owner had, I'm pretty sure that was vetted by the pros as well.
Design is part art, part science, part process, part emotion, part listening, part understanding, part luck, part skill, part passion, and part ego.
It seems a little premature to write off UND on this one. We can only hope the toxic atmosphere of the nickname debate doesn't scare away the best designers.
I thought about that. And you're right and maybe that will work. I see the majority of sports logos and I am not encouraged. You hire a firm that does this, and you get one like everyone else's. Not that many are all that great, IMO.
Maybe it will work. I hope so. I'd be more comfortable knowing that someone who has some passion for the topic is involved, vs. someone working for a paycheck.
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I kind of liked it when the black jerseys only came out when they needed a critical win, not every second night on the road. It seemed like every time they came out under Hakstol, they played inspired hockey. Not so much tonight. Maybe it's just a matter that the players really like the black jerseys, and Berry has a different viewpoint on where the inspiration really comes from.
I agree. Effect is watered down.
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I agree with KirkEisenbeis. I just think that kind of a cheer can be a poor reflection on the fanbase.
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He's doing it to poke at UND fans...he's the biggest UND troll there is.
Yeah, I know who he is.
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Speaking oof loud, they had the anthem on TV last night. Holy smokes did Sioux drown out everything in that building. Embarrassing to be a Huskie and have that done to you in your own building. Pretty sure that's just a home game in "according to the homer announcers" one of the best rinks in the country. Cute.
During intros I turned to my buddy and asked if we were at a home game.
University of North Dakota Hockey 2015-16 season
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My thoughts. I'm guilty of this as much as anyone being this last weekend went so much better than most of us expected.
We knew we had a very good D corp coming in.
We knew we had good leadership in place.
We knew we had a talented freshman class coming in, but a question on how well they would contribute.
We had big questions in goal.
The D corp has been as advertised, at least offensively.
The freshmen have shown flashes, especially early but that has largely tailed off lately (Boeser being the exception).
I think we've been fortunate in goal, especially when it got down to Hrynkiw, but some of that can be attributed to good team D. the rest MH gets a big pat on the back.
We really didn't know what we had in Johnson. Coming in it was expected that he could play at this level, but we saw very little of him. It's not to his discredit that he hadn't looked good in his previous appearances since he'd played so little. even starting out this year, he was pretty new to playing it at this level. He appears to have caught up the game at the D1 level.
The top line has been excellent, but Schmaltz and Caggiula are relatively known quantities. Boeser has been better than most of us expected. Perhaps it's playing with these guys that helps give him opportunities but he carries his weight on that line.
I guess my point is this when comparing Berry and Hak at this point. I doubt Berry is making Cam Johnson a better goalie than he was under Hak. That's just maturation and experience. I doubt that Berry is making that top line better than Hak would have. Again, I think that's maturation and experience with Schmaltz, Caggiula's experience and talent, and Boeser's talent showing through.
Hak would let this top line run and gun as much as Berry.
One a different note, we're giddy about how good this team is right now, but if it wasn't for this top line our record wouldn't be near where it is, because the offensive production is not carried by the depth of the forward lines, at least not yet. If this top line tapers off, or someone gets hurt, we will need to be winning 1-0, 2-1 games.
I'm very happy how things are going but cautious about over estimating just how good we are yet.