stickboy1956
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I am not sure if this has been covered but the new 4x4 is out on INCH and they have the goofers making the NCAA tourney. Really, I thought it was damn near impossible for them to make it at this point. I hope they don't but most likely they will get in according to INCH.
Can someone explain this one to me, please.
Currently UMTC is 13 in the PWR, which would put them in the tournament if the season ended today (probably playing either CC or UND in the first round! )
Even if they split their next 4 games (at UAA, home v. UMD), they could probably get in the tournament by winning their 1st round WCHA series and winning the play-in game of the final 5. Each of those victories could have the effect of knocking out their opponent.
I predict 6/7 reg season finish for them, having them going to either SCSU or MSM in round 1.
Read this for more PWR/Bracketology.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008...atournament.php
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Let me know if you have tix for sale for Thur, Fri, or Sat.
Thanks.
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That is unbelieveable isn't it? Now the Goofs are actually in the playoffs, while probably won't be at the end of the season. Heidi your favorite INCH podcast this past week said that the PWR ranking are one of the those things that you take a brief look at than look away.
I think UND is pretty much in the NCAA tourney but I have a bad feeling that the Cupcake Miami is going to flip it's comparison with the Fighting Sioux.
Sioux vs Gophers in Albany ... it could happen
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the wcha isnt going to get that many teams in the tourney when it all plays out as many of these teams will be playing eachother in playoffs and if a bubble team loses in the playoffs they are done anyways. so its just what they have to work with. we will end up with 5 im guessing.
And unless Clarkson wins the ECAC tourny, that would change the bubble to 13, currently dropping Wisco out of the tournament.
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The new bracketology is up on USCHO:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,15328/Bracket...yFeb262008.html
As I said before, I wouldn't be bothered to play Wisco at Madison the way they are playing now. Also, if we would drop 1 seed we get UMD instead. Then we could play the WI/Miami winner - bring it on.
At 14, WI is definately in danger of dropping out.
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I agree with the observation about what the Sioux need to do, and I'd go a step further and say we'll probably need to sweep SCSU to win the comparison.
The comparison over Miami (since we didn't play head to head) has 3 points.
Currently:
Point 1 is for RPI. Sioux .589, Miami .579
2 is for TUC, currently 0-0 since Miami has only played 9 TUC's. And if VT disappears from TUC status, that point likely won't come into play. (They would play at most 2 games vs TUC's in the CCHA playoffs.) Even if VT stays a TUC, if Miami loses to a TUC (State, Michigan or Notre Dame), then UND wins the comparision provided we win 6 of 8 remaining.
3 is for COP, currently Miami leads 3-0 vs 2-1. (But if we sweep SCSU, and if they lose to Michigan State, it flips to UND.)
Looking forward to the end of the season, each of the 3 points in the comparison could swing either way.
While the Sioux best chance is to sweep St Cloud AND to win at least 6 of 8 (keeping our TUC over .65), IF Miami wins 1 TUC game and doesn't lose to any other TUC's, AND if they don't lose to Michigan State, they'll win the comparison with UND regardless of how well we do.
I'd really much rather be a #1 seed, assuring we don't get sent to CC and making it much less likely that we get sent to play Wisconsin in Wisconsin. Anything else would be easy.
We could also flip CC if we keep winning and beat them at the F5. - It would be great to be/stay in the same seeding band as CC - that would keep us out of Colo Springs for the regional.
We probably won't be sent to Wisco as a 1 seed. The way they are playing, if they do get in it could be as a 4 seed. I couldn't see the NCAA having a 1 v 4 all-WCHA 1st round game. If they did, I say bring it on - the Badgers are slumping.
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That's assuming status quo for lots of other things. For example, Miami has 2 TUC wins vs. Vermont, who wasn't even a TUC until the end of this 4-game winning a streak vs. Merrimack and Mass.-Lowell. A similar losing streak vs. Maine and New Hampshire would knock them right back out of consideration, knocking two TUCs back off Miami.
And their next chance to play a TUC would be at CCHA tourny, probably Mich State. They play Ohio State and then probably Lake S St., 2 non-TUC's
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In the latest Pairwise, Wisconsin and Minnesota are tied for the 14th spot. Since they split the regular season series, what breaks the tie? Is it RPI?
Yes ... and no.
Teams are then ranked by PWR point total, with ties broken by looking at the Rating Percentage Index (RPI). Note: this tiebreaking procedure is used solely for convenience in displaying the PWR, and will not necessarily match the committee's process. This is especially true near the end of the top 16, where the committee looks more closely at head-to-head comparisons when selecting the last few teams.
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Funny how that works...Genoway is the best defenseman on the Sioux bar none....especially from an offensive perspective and he is undrafted. Chorney has been OK this year but not great in my humble opinion
Which is why you are not an NHL scout ...
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holy angels and mattson won 5-0 over chaska, looks like the may be playing edina next
Your are correct - Sat nite at BIG.
The best website to follow the section results is this:
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5 may get in and 5 is pretty damn good to get into the tourney but 4 will be in for sure. the only way a 6th team gets in is if someone makes a title game run from a play in game thursday but thats a long shot as we know. will be interesting. duluth and mankato just cant get swept down the stretch as they will take hits for that. if they can just play solid hockey they can keep their pairwise in the 2-3 seed range and hope for the best. this weekend vs cc for duluth is huge. they can make some serious noise with a friday win then go from there. what a time for wcha and college hockey. love it and it makes for some great discussion!
I bet if Kato holds on for 4th, but loses in the 1st round of the WCHA tourny, their PWR would probably be still good enough to get in.
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After watching tapes and reading on past UND teams, IMO this one can be compared to the '82 team!
Personally, I think the 82 team would be hard to beat:
Sykes, Eades, Murray, Shervin, Tippett, Archie ...
Ludwig, Patrick, Zombo, Stoney ...
Casey and Jensen in goal
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gona have to play 2-3 damn good teams either way unless theres a huge upset in the first round somewhere but i hear ya. i see they have scsu and umd out as of now projecting towards the future. i would stll have umd in though based on their pairwise. scsu is the one on the bubble as of now so i understand them noting being in their 4x4.
I don't see either Princeton or Providence getting in the tournament, though. UMinn has just as good a chance as either of those teams.
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Forty 5 (Channel 45) the little sister of KSTP. TV games start 11am Friday.
The Boys tournament actually starts Wed Mar 5 with 4 Class A games, Thur Mar 6 the AA tournament starts. TV coverage starts Wed at 11 am.
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I think this year will be the year of the #1 seeds (except for Michigan) F4 = UND v. UNH & CC v. ?? (wisconsin?)
(based on the INCH 4x4)
I don't think Wisco is good enough to beat Mich, even at Kohl.
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I used to respect Rotowire but this is what they had to say about a couple of guys.......
Top 100 prospects
3 Kyle Turris (C, Phoenix Coyotes) Wisconsin freshman Turris has been as good as advertised. He has quickly become the best offensive player in college hockey.
7 T.J. Oshie (C, St. Louis Blues) Oshie is a superb offensive talent but undersized.
9 Kyle Okposo (RW, New York Islanders) Tough and physical. Okposo is a true power forward with tremendous desire.
21 Jack Skille (RW, Chicago Blackhawks) Fast and tough. Skille only needs more pro experience. Will become a very good player in time.
24 Mason Raymond (LW, Vancouver Canucks) AHL speedster Raymond has shown the potential of becoming an offensive force. Once he gains the consistency to match his skills his future pairing with the Sedins will be exceptional.
25 Blake Wheeler (RW, Phoenix Coyotes) Able to play both on wing and at center. Wheeler is big, physical and can move the puck well. Expected impact in 2009 could be huge.
65 Brian Lee (D, Ottawa Senators) Solid two-way player, Lee compares to a young Brian Leetch. He was an AHL All-Star this season. Lacks only experience to become a real NHL star.
88 Dan Irmen (RW, Minnesota Wild) Irmen is a spunky player who likes to mix it up. Has good upside but needs the right situation to excel.
98 Jamie McBain (D, Carolina Hurricanes) Good two-way defenseman for University of Wisconsin.
99 Brock Trotter (C, Montreal Canadiens) Trotter is a strong all-around player who left the University of Denver early and was signed by Montreal as a free-agent. The Canadiens have assigned him to Hamilton of the American Hockey League.
100 Blake Geoffrion (LW, Nashville Predators) "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion's grandson continues to show steady improvement during his second season at the University of Wisconsin.
The 2 bolded parts just make me wonder about their coverage of hockey prospects.
Ask Jake Prosser of CC if he thinks Oshie is "undersized."
Ironically, one of St.Louis top scouts had to live with this label his entire career - I think that's why he likes TJ so much.
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If Mich ends up #1 overall, they will try to keep them close and try to say as close to a 1-16/8-9 bracket for them. Wisco is currently 12 which doesn't fit the bracket for them. Since there is no home team in Albany, I predict they go there, if the current #1 seeds remain (Mich/NH/UND/CC).
What would make it interesting is if Wisco moves up to the 8-9 position. I'm sure Mich fans would scream if they had to play in Wisconsin.
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RE: UND is a bunch of goons ...
Usually a team of thugs will decide to mix it up when they are behind to try to get the other team off their game.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the incidents this year involving Wisco/MSM/Denver all happened when we were ahead, didn't they. Could it be the other team's were frustrated and decided to start something, not us.
The incident at the John happened after an overtime tie - which team do you think was more frustrated.
Actually, the cheapest thing a Sioux player has done this year happened when UMinn played at the Ralph on Sat, when Kozek went after a Gopher at center ice after a Gopher goal at the end of the period. Actually, he should have went after a couple of his teammates who were sleepwalking that series.
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It is becoming painfully obvious to the other teams in the WCHA that not only is UND the most talanted team in the league but they are also the most intimidating. It pains the other coaches in this league to know that they can't compete with us on the ice and to top it off their team cannot match us physically and are in fact are intimidated by our boys. They know they can't stop us on the ice so the only alternative is to wine to the league office in hopes of disrupting what the Sioux have going. It is there only chance and they know it. It reminds me of the early 80's when the Sioux could beat you any way you want. Buckle up its going to be a great ride to the Frozen Four championship!
I think you are half right - the Sioux are the most talented team in the league (ironically, this year's squad is one of the least intimidating in years). Because the rest of the league is so talent-less, they are forced to hook/hold/slash to try to stop us. Because the league officials won't crack down on the above, at some point in the game/series the monkey business starts. We don't start it - we know how to finish it.
This is how fignting actually makes the game better - players would think twice about the extra slash/jab if they knew they might have to back it up with a fight. They might not be so brave - it's easy to hide behind the facemask now, right Gophers/Badgers/Pioneers/Mavericks.
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What about Ed "Bop" Schultz!!
How many of you remember Wally Shaver broadcasting Sioux games for a FM station based in Crookston?
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I agree with your assessment that this is a negative trend. I honestly don't know what college hockey can do to stop it, though. When considering major juniors and the European leagues, the NHL is dealing with professional players and contract law; college hockey
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We currently sit tied for 2nd w/ New Hampshire. Breaking the tie, we end up at 3rd behind NH. CC is tied w/ Miami at 4, w/ CC getting the tie breaker. What really helped was Miami getting swept by Ferris St. (
)Series' to watch this weekend:
Boston College v. New Hampshire - Home and Home series(Fri/Sat) - GO BC!!
Michigan v. Michigan State - Home and Home series(Fri/Sat) - GO Michigan State!!
Colorado College v. Duluth - At Duluth(Fri/Sat) - Go Bulldogs!!
Bemidji State v. North Dakota - At North Dakota(Sat/Sun) - Take care of our own, and the rest will fall in to place!
Here is MY current predicted bracket:
Albany:
(2)New Hampshire v (14)St. Cloud State
(7)Michigan State v (10)UM-Duluth
Worcester:
(1)Michigan v (16)Army
(8)BC v (9)MSU-Mankato
Madison:
(3)North Dakota v (15)Bemidji State
(5)Miami v (12)Wisconsin
Colorado Springs:
(4)CC v (13)Notre Dame
(6)DU v (11)Clarkson
That was tuff as having 7 WCHA teams made it difficult to avoid 1st round matchups. Having only 2 HE teams, the attendance would be horrible at the 2 Eastern sites.
Isn't there a rule for the committee that the #1 seed is to be placed closest to home?
I know it's not likely but I wonder what would happen to the PWR/RPI if Minn sweeps Wisconsin this weekend. Minn is currently 17 in the PWR, Wisco 12.
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We are now tied for 3rd with CC and NH in the PWR.
Good news - If we can keep winning, our RPI could go up enough to win the CC comparison, putting us ahead of them and getting us 3 overall.
Bad news - flipping that comparison probably drops them to 5th, behind NH (NH sweep of CC is huge), putting CC in band of #2 seeds.
If that happens, a trip to Colo Springs is very likely for the Sioux. The big ice would be good for us - potentially having to play the best #2 seed on their home rink is not.
Bracketology
in Men's Hockey
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Who has said they turned a corner - just observations regarding their current NCAA status.
Also - RPI is just one component of the PWR comparisons. The reason their post season will be important will be they will be playing teams that are just ahead/behind them in the PWR. Unless they finish 8th, they will probably be playing a WCHA team that is on the bubble with them. If they win the series, they will move up the PWR ladder.
The same is true in the F5 play-in game. A win would probably improve their PWR.
What is also true is that UMTC does have enough talent to win a few games at the end of the season. Anyone who saw the 4 meatgrinder games they played with us shouldn't be surprised if they win a series at MSM and win a play-in game vs St Cloud or Wisconsin.
I don't think that anyone on the board is rooting for this, but it is just an observation/analysis.