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Very discouraging. This is a huge deal for NDSU alumni and students because, just like it has been for decades, NDSU students pay almost exactly the same tuition as their counterparts at UND but get significantly less back from the state (we're talking $1000 less per student per year). It was the same when I went to NDSU in the '80s. Every time I wrote a tuition check, I felt like a good chunk of it was going to subsidize some UND student's education. Anyway, I don't feel like this money should be taken from UND. It would be nice if UND would actually help, but I gotta tell you, from my perspective, it seems like UND's top funding priority is increasing that per student differential. It sure would be refreshing to open the paper someday and see a quote from Svedjan, Kingsbury, Clayburg, or Kupchella even acknowledging that there is a problem.

It kinda got lost in my iPod rant but I think podcasts are cool - and it's very cool that the two Grand Forks guys are doing a fishing show (gotta love having people around who do stuff like that). I do think iPods are cool, it's just that they are more of a cultural phenomenon than a technological one - but what do I see in tech sites? "Oh look, somebody invented a new iPod cozy" or "iPods come in a new color - thousands of hipster doofi orgasm simultaneously."

The 2/19/05 NY Times, in its ongoing effort to have at least three iPod-related stories in every issue, had a front-page story on "podcasting" in which they profile Grand Forks residents, Brad Dokken and Brad Durick and their podcast "Why Fish." The online NY Times is a subscription deal and I read the print version or I'd put a link. I thought it was pretty neat even though I have an urge to vomit everytime I read/hear/smell yet another story on the freaking iPod (it's a $400 walkman, for gosh sakes!)

I can't imagine why Brand would say that (i.e. that schools move up from DII to DI because of football). It doesn't make sense - by and large, it's BASKETBALL that lures DII schools to DI, not the bright lights of DI-AA football. Even the ex-NCC commissioner realized that.

Fine.

PCM, I seriously don't know what you are thinking. I'd be interested to know though. What division do you think the Fargo media wants UND to be in and why?

I'm curious now. What do you think that the Fargo Media is trying to get UND to do? Go DI or stay DII? It was pretty obvious what UND and the Grand Forks media wanted NDSU to do (i.e. stay in DII).

I'm with my fellow NDSU grad. It's a whole different ballgame when the university is a state flagship. When Arkansas State moved up from DII, there was undoubtedly a lot more discussion.

It may not help much since it's NDSU-related but I think a lot of it applies to UND. The Forum's coverage of NDSU's move to DI. NDSU has removed two obstacles already - one, the legislature is unlikely to act to stop UND and two, UND won't be seen as endangering the rivalry. OTOH, if recruiting athletes good enough for DI was supposed to be a huge obstacle when it was just NDSU going DI, it stands to reason that having both UND and NDSU in DI would make it a whole lot harder to find athletes with which to create competitive teams.

It's a rule change for 2004. I'm pretty sure NDSU got called for earlier this year and Phil Hansen explained it then. Anyway, this .PDF will probably answer your questions: http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/football/20...seasonRules.pdf

You guys should send Chancellor Potts (or his "sorry ass") the address to this forum so he can read your thoughts. Better yet, write a letter to the editor calling Chapman a "scum bag" and "crap sack" and sign your names to it. However, you'd be better served by reading this.

Uh, they were round numbers because NDSU estimated attendance based on what they thought the capacity was. At the UNC game, attendance was well over capacity due to people standing around the field. When somebody had a screaming fit about the capacity, they ended up concluding that 15500 could sit in the stadium. Personally, I think we packed more into the student section than they give us credit for, but no way could the stadium seat 18,000. 16000 maybe including SRO. To recap: 1. It's not true that NDSU bought home games for the playoffs. 2. It is not true that NDSU claimed anywhere near 18000 for a playoff game... ever. 3. It is not true that Dacotah Field's final capacity was 10000. 4. It is not true that Dacotah Field's final capacity was 13000. 5. It IS true that NDSU's final seating capacity was 15,500. It is also true that there is no way there were 19000 at the UNC game. 6. It is not true that the NCAA gave NDSU home games in the playoffs because of attendance figures... it's not like anybody else in DII had bigger crowds. Man, that's five "it was an honest mistake but how dare you point it out"-type statements in one thread.

Hey UND-Gary, if I'm telling a lie and I come back here to post crap, then you'd have a point. Otherwise, I don't see how it would hurt to try being honest men.

Diggler, all you have to do to stop me posting here is this: quit making stuff up. The Sicatoka happens to be one of the guys to whom I explained the playoff situation to a couple years back, but what does he do? Rather than step up like a man and correct a fellow UND fan, he comes up with a brand new lie that Dacotah Field had a maximum capacity of 10000! So since he's so fond of rhetorical questions, I'll post this one: Sicatoka, which is worse behavior: repeating a lie -or- knowing the truth but remaining silent in the face of a lie?

NDSU never announced attendance for a playoff game of 18000. 13000-15000 was the most they ever announced. Pretty sad that you have to lie about NDSU to make yourself feel good about UND.

That's not true - NDSU never got home field when they didn't deserve it. I've gone through GREAT PAINS to explain this to UND fans and luckily still have the facts from the last time a UND fans were making this claim. ----------------- In 1981, NDSU was ranked #6 and played on the road until the championship game. They were forced to travel to a team rated lower than them. In 1982, NDSU was ranked #2 in the nation. One home game. One away game (at a team ranked lower than them). In 1983, NDSU was ranked #5 in the nation. One home game - against the team ranked #4. In 1984, NDSU had one early season loss but was ranked #1 and got all home games. In 1985, NDSU was ranked #7 and played all their games on the road. In 1986, NDSU was undefeated and ranked #1 and got all home games. In 1988, NDSU was undefeated and ranked #1 and got all home games. In 1989, NDSU was ranked #17 and got one home game against Edinboro who was ranked #7. In 1990, NDSU was undefeated and ranked #1 and got all home games. OK, looking at those you could say that maybe NDSU got the home field twice when they shouldn't have (Towson in 1983 and Edinboro in 1989) but you'd be wrong. The thing is, the polls were done before the last game - and NDSU won their last game all these years. In 1989, Edinboro lost their last game while NDSU punked UND. In 1983, NDSU won their last game and Towson beat a 3-8 team 10-3. Couldn't it be that this was enough to flip NDSU to 4th seed and make Towson the 5th seed? Anyway, I'm not even sure the bid was a factor back in 1983. NDSU played in 27 playoff games in that time and went 23-4. NDSU made it to the championship game seven times and won five championships. The only years NDSU played all their playoff games at home were those years they were ranked #1. Seven away games. Seven neutral site games. Thirteen home games. If NDSU was buying home games, can somebody explain why NDSU had to travel seven times? If anything, NDSU had to travel more than they should have had to. It's time to quit repeating the crap about NDSU buying home games once and for all. Polish your trophy instead of trying to throw mud on NDSU's.

NCAA DII Football Discussions. The piece I thought might be most interesting to you guys is that the DII guys talked about going to five football classifications with 80, 60, 40, 20, 0 scholarship maximums respectively and then letting schools choose which division to compete in. NCAA DII: Divisional Stability The above story describes how DII is going to do a cost analysis of going DI. Maybe when they do that, they could also check to see why schools reclassified to DI in the first place... NCC members naturally think schools leave DII because of football, but NDSU is probably the only school where DI-AA football played a bigger factor in the decision to move than DI basketball. Just a thought.

The NCAA split into three divisions back in 1973 because they concluded that 600 members divided between two divisions was unworkable. To me, two divisions means two sets of championships. Seems like only yesterday we were debating about adding a fourth division between DII and DI.

Two divisions. 1300 members. 10% offer hockey.

That's some pretty good information from legend334. Anyway, 18 scholarships allowed for DI for womens track & field / cross country, 12.6 for DII. I've edited this post so if you've come back and are confused... sorry about that. Anyway, if you want into the Big Sky, you will have to add men's tennis. That means about 32 men's scholarships plus 36-40 more scholarships for women. If UND can afford that, I don't think you'll have any trouble finding places to add scholarships for women's sports. I don't think the Mid-Con cares what sports you offer and the MAC, well, that's just not gonna happen. Personally, I think that there is very little chance that DII will cut scholarships to 24 in this decade - however, that's still a lot more likely than the NCAA restructuring itself so UND ends up in the same division as NDSU without moving. Why would they even be talking about lowering DII scholarships if the NCAA is going to redo the whole thing from scratch?

Well, if it's any consolation, the 2000 report showed that NDSU spent $50 million on research to UND's $17 million. Joe Chapman is definitely not the flim-flamming carpetbagger that some UND partisans imply that he is.

Actually, Kupchella was talking about federally-funded research. Chapman was talking about all research dollars. I couldn't find the latest report, but back in 2000 UND got 80% of the research dollars from the Feds and NDSU got 31%. The national average was 58%. Apparently UND was getting more federal money for research in 2002 too.

Much like NDSU's football team and fans, UND's alumni association sounds like they are overlooking SDSU. 12,300+ and a win over NDSU - that has to look good to the Sky. I wonder if there is a chance USD or UMD will look harder at DI because, contrary to O'Keefe's belief, you can travel south of Fargo on I-29 as well as north. I still think its kind of weak to say a scholarship cut would force UND to do anything when it's been clear one has been in the works for a decade. However, I gotta admit that if they do cut it to 24, that's a whole different animal. You'd have to have been blind not to see 30 or 32 coming, but 24... that would be the biggest change to DII football since 75% of the top programs left for DI-AA 25 years ago.

I guess the G and H you left out stood for "good humor". Instead of crawling back into my hole, I shall call you Sparky and see if your head explodes. Okay, Sparky?

They don't make a font big enough for the "HAHAHAHA!" your response deserves A. You don't appear to understand open meeting / sunshine laws. I guarantee they don't require Kupchella to send copies of all his communications with individual legislators to every major paper in the state. A newspaper would have to request it. B. If the sunshine law did mean that communications between Representative Bob Martinson and President Kupchella had to be sent to every major newspaper in the state (as well as the NCAA), this same law should dictate that all current communications between UND and the Big Sky, UND and NDSU, and UND and any office holders in the state should be printed in the newspaper, shouldn't they? C. The whole letter thing looked like it was thinly-disguised PR gambit to me. Look at the content of the letter - you can't tell me the target audience was Rep. Martinson. It wasn't. Then look at what Kupchella did with it... he sent it everywhere, he even re-worked it and sent it to the NCAA. It was also published as an editorial in the GF Herald entitled "Costs outweigh D-I benefits." It was not a letter to Martinson in either content or intent.