82SiouxGuy

Actually, it was spoken like a realist and true University of North Dakota supporter.

Nothing will help recruit players more than telling them you are willing to forfeit tournament games for a "just cause". That will bring in the stars. And the 200 people outside of North Dakota and Minnesota that were watching the game would have been just horrified. I'm sure that would have totally destroyed the NCAA.

I admit I'm not an attorney. But at least I've read the settlement and know what it says. I've read the Spirit Lake lawsuit and can see the weaknesses. Have you read either? Do you know how the court case is going to proceed?

How generous of you, volunteering to let a bunch of college athletes forfeit their dreams and something they had spent 6 months working to gain. What a shining example you are for the youth of today. Letting someone else give up their dreams so you can keep something you want.

Considering the extensive lack of legal knowledge that you continually exhibit you will have to forgive us if we don't hold our breath waiting for Spirit Lake to "beat the living snot out of the NCAA in court".

Nicknames add color, they're great for marketing. But the true identity of the teams is the identity of the school they represent. UND has changed nicknames and logos over the years, they have always been the University of North Dakota.

Are you looking at shopncaasports.com? I noticed that Alcorn State is not on that list either, but Grambling is. Maybe they just aren't selling anything from schools on the sanctioned list.

They pulled the merchandise right after the sanctions went into effect in August. I never looked after the sanctions were lifted in November. I checked in February after the sanctions were back and the name was listed as North Dakota Fighting Sioux but they didn't have any merchandise available. Maybe they decided to just eliminate the listing as long as there is no merchandise available.

As I asked in the other discussion on that issue, was the NCAA selling the merchandise or was Xcel Energy Center selling the merchandise? If the NCAA is selling it they are hypocritical. My guess is that Xcel was selling like they often do, and the NCAA didn't even bother looking and don't care if Xcel is selling a few jerseys since the NCAA doesn't get any revenue from that source.

Some of this was discussed when the letter came out. No, UND could not have worn their regular jerseys. The NCAA, as a result of the settlement, issued a statement that UND was not hostile and abusive toward Native Americans. But once the settlement period had passed without getting approval from the required tribes, the nickname and logo went back on the hostile list because they are Native American imagery that has not received the needed approval. UND is not hostile and abusive as an institution, any non-approved NA imagery is on the hostile list and subject to sanctions. As far as the rest of the letter, it is just an emphasis that the school should make all efforts to limit the things that they can control. The schools can not control what fans wear to some outside venue. If the NCAA really wanted to limit what was allowed at their events, they could potentially prohibit fans wearing clothing with specific logos. But that would be up to the NCAA because it is their event. That is beyond the control of the schools. The NCAA would have to make that fact known in advance and provide that information to the media and the public, especially to ticket buyers. They are not going to do that any time soon, and they have said that in the past. In one of the interviews done in the past year they were asked if they planned to limit the fans wearing prohibited logos and nicknames and the NCAA representative said that they had no plans to do that. Go ahead and wear your Fighting Sioux jersey anywhere you want.

The world isn't Fair or Consistent. You should have learned that a long time ago.

The lawsuit not getting dismissed doesn't give it momentum, it just means that the court will let them move ahead. It doesn't give either side any advantage. And I didn't say that leaving the NCAA was the only option. It is one option that would let UND keep using the nickname without any sanctions. Isn't that what you're looking for? You hate the NCAA and don't think their tournaments are important, so why not just leave the NCAA?

You don't have any idea about what was done to work with Standing Rock, and you don't have any idea what could be done to try and work with them. You just don't like it because they didn't get the result that most of us would nave liked. The Tribal Council DOES NOT want to even talk about the issue. You can't force them to talk about it and you can't force them to change their position. No amount of pressure by people in North Dakota is going to make the NCAA change a policy that applies to hundreds and hundreds of other schools. You can't make a policy for just one school. As has been said before, UND has an option to leave the NCAA. Is that what you want if that means the nickname can stay?

If you go to hockeydb.com, then go to current player registers and pick the NHL you will get a list of teams. Click on the team and you can go player by player to see every team they have played on. It might take some time, but you can get the information that way.

One minor correction for you Goon. The settlement was signed by John Q. Paulsen for the SBoHE and by the AG for the State of North Dakota.

Easter weekend? End of the regular season so the front office was busy with something else? Just not ready to pull the trigger on one side or the other? Have a couple of options that are very close and he is trying to figure out which is best? It's only been a few days over a holiday weekend so I wouldn't read too much into a delay in getting a contract signed.

There wouldn't be a sports nickname if there wasn't any sports teams. And there isn't a NCAA without sports, that's their job. Athletics are used as a marketing tool for a university. So hurting the athletic program will hurt the university as a whole. Losing the entire athletic department would hurt enrollment, especially students in areas like the Twin Cities. Those students have choices and one of the things that draws their attention is the athletic department.

It's possible that the SL lawsuit may be dismissed as early as this month. And as we have explained countless times, the vote by Sioux County doesn't mean anything to the NCAA and won't have any effect on the legal system, the settlement or the lawsuit.

The main difference is that there is now a real threat to the University that goes along with the arguement. In the past the threat was vague if it existed at all. Now the sanctions are in place and these people are still more concerned with what they want or how they feel about the nickname and logo than about the threat to the program that they say they support. That is what shifted the line for many people.

It's all about what you can live with,isn't it. And that isn't the only sanction, that is only a part of it. The NCAA isn't the only game in town. UND could go to the NAIA. Would you prefer that?

The identity of the program is the University of North Dakota. The nickname is secondary, that's why they call it a "NICKNAME".

This is a common thread I see with a lot of nickname-at-all-costers. "They" love the nickname. "They" think it's great. "They" think they are honoring NAs, so it has to be all right. "They" don't want to lose the name. So "they" are going to fight to keep the nickname, no matter what else happens. Because that is what "they" want.

The identity will be modified, not lost. It is still the University of North Dakota. Maybe you've heard of it? They have won 7 national hockey titles and some other national Division II titles. A pretty good athletic tradition that goes back more than a century. Being able to compete for more national titles is the important part, not the emblem on the front of the jersey. Too bad you nickname-at-all-costers can't see past the bright colors on the logo. I guess you just get distracted too easily by those bright colors.

The NCAA passed the Native American policy for all schools. They started looking at the policy in 1998 or before, which was before Engelstad announced plans for the arena. This isn't about Ralph Engelstad or the REA. This is about their efforts to eliminate any potential racism that may exist around their events. That is the issue the NCAA is concerned with. It wouldn't have mattered how the REA was financed, the NCAA would have had the same issues with the nickname and logo as they do now. Getting approval from local tribes at the beginning would have eliminated all the problems that have come up since. Florida State and Utah had it figured out and were prepared. UND was not.