The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 The carr tells this to everyone .... ... and they are the expert consultants. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 As far as hockey goes.... it's a complete pipe dream for NDSU to ever have hockey. We don't need it or want it. We have bball and wrestling which is plenty. It is possible...they could practice at the arena @ North High School and the games could be played in the fargo (which is set up to have an ice sheet in it). Still won't happen. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 ... and they are the expert consultants. Says you...and you are..? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Says you...and you are..? I don't say so. NDSU (de facto) did. NDSU hired them as consultants. NDSU wouldn't hire non-experts, would they? Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 They hired them because they supposed to be the best in their field of work. That doesn't make them experts. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 .... games could be played in the fargo (which is set up to have an ice sheet in it). Don't you remember the Fargo Arena debates a few years back? The issue was "why not use the FargoDome?" Why? Because FargoDome isn't completely ready for ice. It would take a few hundred thousand dollars (close to a million?) to put ice into FargoDome. Someone probably has the numbers from back then. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 They hired them because they supposed to be the best in their field of work. That doesn't make them experts. OK, they Carr is "the best in their field of work." Carr disagrees with NDSU's course of action (and told NDSU not to do it that way before NDSU did it). Better? Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 There are pipes under the dome floor which i assume contain sometype of coolent. Put up the boards and poor in water....then wait till it freezes. I fail to see how putting up boards costs hundres of thousands of dollars. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 OK, they Carr is "the best in their field of work." Carr disagrees with NDSU's course of action (and told NDSU not to do it that way before NDSU did it). Better? So obviously we know what is better for ourselves than Carr does. We just wanted a second opinion. Nothing more. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Sometimes the infomation ... is dated ... unforeseen by the experts. What in the NCAA changed between NDSU receiving their Carr Report and their formal move? Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 What in the NCAA changed between NDSU receiving their Carr Report and their formal move? The realization that no conference were interested in us until after we moved. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 There are pipes under the dome floor which i assume contain sometype of coolent. Put up the boards and poor in water....then wait till it freezes. I fail to see how putting up boards costs hundres of thousands of dollars. Yes, the pipes are in. No compressor (which means no chillant in the piping). No boards. No glass. The compressor is the biggest financial hit. The numbers were in the Fargo Forum back in April 2000 and were what I quoted. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Perhaps we can get a used compressor cheaply. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 So obviously we know what is better for ourselves than Carr does. We just wanted a second opinion. Nothing more. NDSU's officials didn't get the answer they wanted so they ignore the recommendations. Why does Doug Fullerton's quote come to mind again? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Perhaps we can get a used compressor cheaply. That was the FargoDome's plan, yet that was the number. Ice plants aren't cheap. Quote
WYOBISONMAN Posted January 28, 2004 Author Posted January 28, 2004 Holy s&!t....lets slow things down....this was a thread about conference shifting and instability in the NCAA presenting opportunities for movement. Why the hell are we talking about hockey.....and pipes in the Fargodome..... Let's have a reasonably intelligent discussion... Quote
CoteauRinkRat Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 They hired them because they supposed to be the best in their field of work. That doesn't make them experts. omg that is probably one of the funniest things I have ever read They are best in their field of work, but not experts. Yeah, I guess it makes sense to me Quote
PCM Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 So obviously we know what is better for ourselves than Carr does. And there's the ego-driven part of NDSU's decision. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 Let's have a reasonably intelligent discussion... The sidebar was a fun little diversion. I'm sure you saw my question to you earlier. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 omg that is probably one of the funniest things I have ever read They are best in their field of work, but not experts. Yeah, I guess it makes sense to me Ok...lets say there were 3 companies. The first 2 sucked really bad. Carr only sucked slightly less, but sucked nonetheless. An expert is not a company that sucks. Quote
PCM Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 An expert is not a company that sucks. NDSU's excuse: Don't blame us. We hired the least sucky expert we could. Quote
Bisonfan1234 Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 I think he was trying to say that the administration's emotions drove the move to d1 rather than looking only at the Carr report for advice...because everyone knows that you're screwed if you don't do exactly as Carr says. Quote
WYOBISONMAN Posted January 28, 2004 Author Posted January 28, 2004 Sicatoka....I had to go back through all those posts to find your question.... Yes, I think there will either be a reduction or an elimination of the waiting periods as this thing gets going. That is why I am not at all worried about the long waiting period on Basketball. I think in this environment it is likely to get reduced. An interesting hook that the NCAA has in the BCS schools in this whole thing is Basketball. The BCS can take Football and walk from the NCAA, but Basketball is entirely another matter. The BCS would not want to leave the schools like Gonzaga, etc behind....they make March Madness too interesting....so there in lies the hook. It will be fun to watch... Quote
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