jdub27
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What? I thought UND was going to get him.
Must have at least crossed his mind otherwise I doubt he'd come all the way up here for the spring game.
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What is really sad is how many people on this forum have gone over to the PC side. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I know that this is more than you can comprehend, but there are more than the two sides you can see. I won't bother explaining it to you because it has already be done over and over and over again and whether it is by choice or chance, you just don't get it. I just want your assurance when the right thing is done to protect the University that you uphold your promise and not be a fan anymore. Find a new logo/nickname you like since that is what is of most importance to you.
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The NCAA is trying to exterminate the use of all Native American based team nicknames. That is a hate crime against Native Americans in my opinion, and any school that states a refusal to schedule teams with Native American based nicknames is guilty of being an accomplice to said hate crime. In my 41 years on this earth, very few issues have angered me as much as this one. From now on I will make a conscious effort to support the Florida State Seminoles, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, Washington Redskins, Kansas City Chiefs, Chicago Blackhawks, etc... Any team in any sport with a Native American based nickname is okay with me, and there are no words strong enough to express the disgust I feel towards the NCAA and anybody who agrees with, goes along with, defends, or tries to rationalize their policy. Their policy is a hate crime, plain and simple.
Have I made myself clear enough for you to understand?
Just a few more questions...
Are you a police officer, judge or lawyer? Or are you just going to go with the trued and tried citizen arrest? And are you going to be trying to charge the NCAA administration or every University president in the NCAA who voted and put in place the policy that the administration is enforcing? Do we need to warn Kelley, Faison, Hakstol, Mussman, Kleinsasser, Lennon, O'Keefe, etc. to watch out because they are going to be in trouble?
Thanks in advance.
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And those of you on the other side of this debate never supported the Fighting Sioux in the first place. You guys just love the college not the nickname.
See, that snotty argument works both ways.
Close but not quite. I support the college regardless of the nickname. Unlike you I will always support the college. You apparently can only support what is secondary in the equation, the nickname. Unfortunately for you, one can survive without the other and you aren't going to like the answer to that one.
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SDSU just made the list of classless organizations that endorse hate crimes.
Did I miss something? I don't recall any crime let alone a hate crime being committed. It is unfortunate how you can't see how ridiculous you make yourself look with statements like that.
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I am proud of anything that happened during peoples lifetimes. Example...Notre Dame won a ton of titles in the 30's and 40's. I as a Notre Dame fan, think that is cool, but I am not going to brag about it. The 70's and 80's are when I would be proud of Notre Dame. I am happy they were good way back in the day, but that doesn't change the fact it is irrelevant. During my lifetime, USC has been a superior football school to Notre Dame. Therefore, I view them as the better football school. North Carolina has a huge edge on Duke in basketball victories. They are at the very least equal as far as basketball schools because of when a ton of those victories took place.
Well you aren't 50, my guess is closer to 20 so why did you pick the last 50 years other than someone had already done the math. Do you need someone to do the math on the series record during your lifetime for you? (hint, you aren't going to like it)
Also, I'm not insinuating that NDSU's national championships aren't impressive, they are. But the fact that the time frame for games against UND always needs to be edited is always amusing.
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In the last 50 years, NDSUs had a +8 margin on UND in football wins.
Why is it that NDSU fans are so proud of their history, but when it comes to records against UND, the timeframe is always limited? Are you proud of your history or only part of it? Seems like a lot of cherry picking.
Also, I see you decided to parrot your whole response from what other people taught you on bisonville the last day or two.
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Chief Wahoo is a cartoon...Sammy Sioux is a cartoon, Brien's Fighting Sioux logo is not a cartoon.
I would agree with you. But would it have anywhere close to the significance and meaning that it does to anyone on this site if it wasn't related to the University of North Dakota? The answer is no, not even close. There are many pieces of art work/drawings/paintings/etc that are equally as strong and proud as Ben Brien's, but the feelings on his are so strong because of what it is tied to. And that is what is important, what made Brien's artwork so popular, the University of North Dakota. The fact that some can't see past that is absolutely bewildering and borderline ridiculous.
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The University is meaningless to Dave. It is basically a vessel to deliver the nickname. The nickname is all-important to Dave. He has said he would rather have the athletic department close down than lose the nickname.
Fully aware, just wanted to see what random direction he went with.
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You don't care about the Fighting Sioux, and you CONSTANTLY stick up for the NCAA. Seriously, that is virtually the only thing you ever post about here. Just be honest about it. You can't have it both ways, you're either for the Sioux/against the NCAA or else you're for the NCAA/against the Sioux. There is no in between.
Just curious where the University of North Dakota fits into your equation? You seem to never be concerned on what may happen to them. Can't be coincidence that you fail to mention what will happen to the school...
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I don't think that will happen but yes what else is there
Not worth giving up the name for "MODEST SANCTIONS"
Figures. Wouldn't expect someone like you to keep your word. Keep grasping at straws, it is over.
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So if their lawsuit gets thrown out this week, will you admit it's time to move on?
I don't think that will happen but yes what else is there
Time to stay true to your word Fetch, the lawsuit is tossed. Like it or not, it is time to move on.
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You're absolutely right, and I trust that the majority of North Dakota residents are sensible enough to see that for what it is. On this forum , however, the vast majority seem to be NCAA apologists who just can't stop kissing NCAA a$$. The NCAA can do no wrong in the eyes of the anti-nickname zealots on this forum.
You understand that UND is a VOLUNTARY member of an organization that allows its member to vote on its policies right? UND had a vote on this, but were outvoted to institute the policy on Native American imagery. The NCAA isn't a couple of guys sitting in offices in Indianapolis making up rules as they go, it is made up of member schools and all of these schools decide the rules.
Well, since Soderstrom doesn't have the intellectual capacity to make a Sherman Act case that won't make a judge snicker, perhaps he can accuse the NC$$ of committing "hate crimes" or "genocide". An appeal to the UN for an international tribunal to investigate this outrage would be "logical".
Dave has already claimed this is similar to murder, you probably should quit planting ideas in his head...
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We made the Omaha road trip in 2010, and I have to say it's a very fine downtown and completely capable of hosting the conference tournament. I'm very much looking forward to having that trip on the schedule again this coming season.
I will second this. Great area and great people. Looking forward to going down there again in February.
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I was thinking NORTH in one end zone and DAKOTA in the other but North Dakota in both is fine. I also assumed Alerus Center logos would be opposite the Big Sky logos on the 25 with the interlocking ND on the 50. I'm wondering if they don't have the capabilities to add the midfield logo after the fact, though it might look funny with the Alerus Center logos there. The center of the field looks bare.
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Dakota Dome holds 10,000. I'm thinking this is more of a "market USD in Sioux Falls" action.
As always, follow the money or in this case, take a game to where the money is.
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Sanford is non-profit. I don't know how they could really make the other Dakota schools pay for the money they gave them? They have to donate a ton of money or give free medical service to people. They chose to donate.
Ignorance pleaded as well
NDSU athletics had no problem dropping their 20+ year partnership with Innovis for the money. A few years earlier than the contract called for if I recall correctly. Those donations don't come without strings and it is up to the individual school to decide if they are worth it.
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Here's the thing about that... I don't believe that the sanctions will last forever. They will last for however long the NCAA is able to fend off the eternal legal attacks that are brought against them as a result of said sanctions. They are in the wrong and will not get away with this crime, at least not permanantly. They might get away with it for a few years but eventually they will get what is coming to them.
What crime is it that the NCAA is committing? How many times do you need to be told that they are a private organization in which the member institutions make the rules (one of which is UND)? Their game, their rules. Just because you don't like something or you think it isn't fair doesn't make it a crime.
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Good weather will be key. Good chance of rain in the morning, hopefully it clears up before noon and people come out.
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Does that tie up 7 scholarships in the junior-to-be class? If that is the case, that really ups expectations as you can see a fall-off coming in a couple years.
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applause applause - A no vote will just extend SL's hope & show the State is still behind them
If SL fails there can be yet another vote to remove the name if all the bad things happen that many say will happen
These two things are separate issues, quit inferring they are tied together.
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Wrong again, it isn't just the Fighting Siouxand it isn't just the University of North Dakota. It is the combination of both together, and either one without the other just doesn't do it for me.
Sure seems that you only care about one of those two things.
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I have a feeling that a lot of tickets will all of a sudden become available if and when a new nickname is slapped on the athletic programs at UND.
If that is the case, once the name changes you should rent out the Purpur and dress up a bunch of beer league guys in Fighitng Sioux jerseys. Using your logic, it would easily be a sellout since people are there to cheer for the nickname/logo, not what they are representing.
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Every last one of them sold their souls. The athletic dept. may still be alive and well at each school, but that isn't the point. The fact of the matter is that they turned their back on their heritage, which is the ultimate display of dishonor.
Just because it happened before I was alive means I have no sentimental attchment to it. Yeah, it happened. I'm not disputing that it happened, but so what? I wasn't there to enjoy it. UND has been the Fighting Sioux for the entire duration of my life so far. I can only speak out on behalf of how I feel about this from my own perspective as a Sioux fan.
Who is the one turning their back on heritage? In one breathe you say UND would be doing it to change the nickname, in the next you are saying you don't care about what happened if it happened before you were born? You obviously don't care about history and heritage unless it was from your lifetime. Newsflash for you, the traditions and pride of the University of North Dakota started well before you showed up and they will continue to go on and become stronger as time goes on, no matter what nickname or logo they use. You are the last one who should be trying to lecture people about respecting traditions and pride in something when it is obvious that your end game is one that benefits whatever makes you happy, not what is best for the University of North Dakota.
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But NDSU has been better since 1963. Because that is when Bison football started.