siouxkid12
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2 hours ago, gfhockey said:
We didn’t want him to stay anotherbyear
It’s time Judy’s kicked you out. You’re not making any sense
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6 minutes ago, Brim006 said:
Hence why I said for various reasons...so I'm not pretending anything.
Also, you're just bucketing everyone together with your national title or nothing theory. There's a big difference between only missing the tournament once or twice during that span and missing it every other year or more. And there's also a big difference of only having 1 tournament win in that span versus consistently making deep playoff runs. Most folks on this side of the discussion aren't demanding a natty every year, we're just pointing out that after 9 seasons there should at least be some close calls, deep runs, or at least some signs that they're capable.
Exactly. No one on here (or our fanbase) is claiming we should be national champions every year. The expectations are to be a top 3 teams in the NCHC, have a good showing in the NCHC tournament and making the NCAA tournament (and having a decent run). For all the talent we have had come through the doors during Berry's tenure, they should have been able to accomplish this on a regular basis. Instead, we are now regulated to "destination" games during the season (which we haven't had success at) and watching other teams play hockey in the spring.
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11 minutes ago, SJHovey said:
Berenson and York retired. Monty took a job in the NHL. Pearson was canned for off ice shenanigans. Let's not pretend all of these schools are firing their head coach for missing the tournament.
You want to know the other thing that all of the teams on your list and mine have in common? Other than DU and UND, not a single one of them has won a title since Brad Berry took over. Their seasons all ended just like ours, by missing the tournament or with an NCAA tournament loss.
Except most have made it to the FF, FF championship game or won a national title. At the end of the day all of those "blueblood" programs have had more success than UND recently. Like I said earlier, if we take out the 2016 championship, Berry's record on a national stage is way below UND's standards.
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31 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
1966, 1986, & 2007 titles for the Spartans. If they’re bluebloods based on that, then Colorado College and Michigan Tech should still qualify too.
You’ll have to throw Lake Superior state and their 4* national titles
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23 minutes ago, SJHovey said:
I understand what you are saying, but even if we now decide that NCAA tournament is the bar that has to be met, I still don't think it's been that bad.
Yes, under Brad, we've missed the tournament 3 times. But consider this. During that same time frame (2015-16 to now), these "bluebloods" of college hockey, that everyone fears we have fallen so far behind, missed the tournament the following number of seasons:
Michigan - 2 = 2nd HC since 2017 Frozen Four in 18,22
Minnesota - 3 = 1 HC since 2018 Frozen Four in 14, 22,23 (new coach has taken them to the FF twice)
Michigan State - 7 = 3rd HC since 2010
Wisconsin - 6 = 2nd HC since 2016
Denver - 1 = 2nd HC since 2013 Frozen Four in 16,17,22,24 (won it 3x)
BU - 2 = 3rd HC since 2013 Frozen Four in 15,23
BC - 5 = 1 HC since 2022 Frozen Four in 14,16 (New coach hasn't taken them to the FF yet)
Further consider that we were #1 in the pairwise in 2020, and of the above teams, only DU and BC were likely to make it that year. MN was at 17, and Michigan was hanging on at 14, but everyone else was basically dead.
Plus, the three misses in the 16 team era was probably not a standard that can be sustained. None of the above teams have come close to that.
I have a theory. I always think the panic around here starts to build when the team struggles, but it goes over the top when one of our chief rivals (MN and DU) are having success at the same time. That's what we are seeing now.
All those teams you listed have had a coaching change within the last 10 years, some even had multiple coaching changes. You know why that is? Because the standard for their programs had not lived up to their potential. I also denoted how many times they have been to the FF too.
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9 minutes ago, SJHovey said:
I understand what you are saying, but even if we now decide that NCAA tournament is the bar that has to be met, I still don't think it's been that bad.
Yes, under Brad, we've missed the tournament 3 times. But consider this. During that same time frame (2015-16 to now), these "bluebloods" of college hockey, that everyone fears we have fallen so far behind, missed the tournament the following number of seasons:
Michigan - 2
Minnesota - 3
Michigan State - 7
Wisconsin - 6
Denver - 1
BU - 2
BC - 5
Further consider that we were #1 in the pairwise in 2020, and of the above teams, only DU and BC were likely to make it that year. MN was at 17, and Michigan was hanging on at 14, but everyone else was basically dead.
Plus, the three misses in the 16 team era was probably not a standard that can be sustained. None of the above teams have come close to that.
I have a theory. I always think the panic around here starts to build when the team struggles, but it goes over the top when one of our chief rivals (MN and DU) are having success at the same time. That's what we are seeing now.
People keep bringing that up and I still think it's an excuse they use to justify the other bad season. Yes, we were the #1 team in the pairwise but we will never know what the outcome would've been due to them not playing any postseason games. We know that after 2016, Berry has had very limited success in the NCAA tournament (and dare I say, the NCHC tournament too). It could easily be argued that UND wouldn't have won the NCAA tournament that year, let alone win a game in the NCAA tournament.
The fact of the matter is, Berry is a good regular season coach but hasn't gotten it done since he inherited Hak's team in 2016. Sure, conference titles are nice, and we can hang a banner, but should we be satisfied with only conference titles? If we exclude the National Championship in 2016 from his resume and based his coaching off everything else, we wouldn't be talking about him now because he would be long gone and that's a fact.-
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27 minutes ago, .357 said:
The only corrective actions that I know of in the corporate world are verbal warnings, written warnings, suspensions, demotions & terminations. And because the first four are not applicable to a head coach in this situation (that I know of), I would guess termination.
Not necessarily. Berry does have a good record, so its not like he is a terrible coach. If they were to extend him, you could reduce his base pay and give him more bonuses if he hits certain incentives. This also could reduce the high amount of a buyout if the school fires him halfway through the contract.
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54 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
WTF are you talking about? Who the eff is saying any of that in this conversation?
I am trying to figure out why YOU or others making certain arguments as to why they think he should be fired. Like @burd said, you can absolutely say that you think it's because they don't win enough. You're the one who added unproven nonsense like "not having players ready" or being "outcoached" without having even a SHRED of proof of these concepts.
If you leave it at the bolded part, it's a fine argument.
I guess I’ve never understood that argument of being “outcoached”. I will say that there have been a times in Berry’s tenure (same with past coaches) where it looks like Berry hasn’t prepared the players and by that I mean, them not running the right plays or coming out flat. Now this could be on the players themselves but it always falls on the coach.
In all my years of watching hockey (especially in a one and done format), the only time I’ve ever seen a coach truly out coach another coach and have his players ready to play is Herb Brooks and team USA. -
Just now, stoneySIOUX said:
Our players don't work hard?
I'm just gonna stop this now as I don't think we'll agree. It's fine. All good.
Ya, I'm pretty sure our players work hard.
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6 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
That would be a solid lesson if in fact past history showed it to be accurate. The pattern of Hak’s teams was starting slowly and finishing the season with guns a blazing. Berry’s pattern is the team starting the season slowly and then trying to dig out of a deep hole in order to make the tournament and either a) making it for one game or b) having the wheels come off the bus in every “must win” game in the second half of the season and not making it at all.
So you’re relying on Berry to actually turn it around the second half of the season and I’m hoping he can too. If he does though, it would go against the grain of everything we’ve seen in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024.
He's too young to understand.
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2 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:
But student tickets are first come first serve? As in, the sooner you show up the better your seats are?
And if you're all well aware, it's really tough to tell. If we're going to rail on exhibition losses let's talk about why Hak didn't have the 2013-14 team ready for a couple of them where we narrowly beat Simon Fraser and LOST(gasp) to the University of British Columbia.
We also lost to St Lawrence that year and started the season 4-7-2. I'm not going to look back but I'm sure everyone and their brother jumped off the bandwagon that year calling for Hak's head. Then they went to the Frozen Four.
Feels like there's a lesson in there somewhere if you look hard enough.
Not back then, you got to pick your seat and that was your seat all year, no matter when you showed up.
The difference between Hak's losses and Berry's losses is, Hak still made the national tournament.
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1 minute ago, MafiaMan said:
Nothing amuses me more than watching some home fans hugging and crying the joy out like the Sioux just won the Stanley Cup…after a non-conference shootout W.
Like I said before, you can Win and lose at the same time. Which is exactly what happened over the RMU weekend.
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1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:
You guys are mean. She's a nice lady! 😁
She probably is and I don't have an issue with her necessarily as I do with all of the minions that flock around her and call her mama gaber. Makes me wanna puke
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18 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
I'm saying that we prioritizing other positions because of the portal offering goalie options.
Obviously, you and I don't know for a fact what the coaches are doing, and we are just speculating but I have a hard time with that. If we are prioritizing other positions over goaltending, than the coaches should be scrutinized heavily. Like you said, the portal has become a crutch and maybe it's time that crutch be kicked out from under them.
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21 minutes ago, Wilbur said:
Now go tell the Mama Gaber fan club that a non conference shootout win doesn't count for anything.....
hahahaha...she can go away and all her fan club minions who think they are besties with MAMA Gaber
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2 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
Winning in 3x3 OT is not the equivalent of winning in 5x5 in regulation.
in all fairness, feelings got in the way of his statement; it happens to the best of us.
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1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:
Can't argue that. I again will lean on the idea that the portal allows a bit of a crutch.
That's a valid point but I would push back on that and say that still doesn't solve the question of why can't we recruit a good goaltender.
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5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
Honest to goodness @gfhockey, did Will Smith hit you with the Men in Black memory erase pen flash or what? You railed on Hak for not winning the big one, now you’re anti-Berry for the down years since 2016 despite him accomplishing what you wanted.
That's what happens when you hang out at Judy's all the time.
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2 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:
Some of you didn't attend(or haven't been fans long enough) to remember games in Hak's tenure where the team was hungover from a Friday night bender at Gilly's and it shows. And Oshie, despite having to be carried out of the bar the prior night, has to put the team on his back.
For how much love Hak gets around here, we should start hanging Regional Final Champion banners. (And I'm a huge Hak fan but make it make sense)
I had student season tickets on the glass in 03-04, so I am well aware, and I am pretty sure most everyone on here is as well.
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4 minutes ago, RedFrog said:
First, I agree that Berry's seat should be warm. The team has put him in a position where he could be staring down the guillotine if they fail to make the NCAAs. This team was ranked #5 in the preseason poll and has a ton of skill and talent. I was OK with where we were sitting after being swept by Denver at home, but the results of the RMU and BSU weekends were unacceptable in my opinion. Even with the injuries we were dealing with, those are teams our 2 deep should handle. I won't call the Miami weekend a confidence builder (not with the first 55 minutes of that Friday night game), but this past weekend gives me more optimism and the season is far from over.
This fanbase demands and deserves more in the national tournament. That does not mean that Berry hasn't provided a quality product. You don't win 5 Penrose Cups without having teams that are considered contenders for the national championship. Unfortunately, you can't compete for a national championship if you don't make the tournament. I would agree that if this team misses the NCAAs, serious consideration needs to be given to replacing him. We still have half the season to go though, which is more than enough time for this team to have a strong half, possibly win another Penrose, and have that shot to compete for a national championship.
Ultimately, if we win the Penrose and make the NCAAs but lose in the regionals, Berry is safe for another year but the seat stays warm. If we don't win the Penrose and we lose the first game of the NCAAs or miss the NCAAs ... Berry needs to be celebrated for his contributions to the program and let go.Berry won't be let go after this year, I believe is contract is up after 25/26 season. If he does well this year, he will get an extension. The only way he does not receive an extension is if we just tank this year and next year.
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1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:
I would say this is likely the case. Hard to say it's on the coach or the player, but I for one never thought Helly should be the guy. I still think Hobie can get there, but he wasn't ready this year. And with the crutch that is the portal, we can go find a good tendy if we're uneasy about the current one.
I mean I know goalies are hit or miss but it just seems like the past 4-5 years we have had a hard time getting that guy.
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1 minute ago, iramurphy said:
You know this how?
I mean, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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3 minutes ago, brianvf said:
A W is a W.
That's like saying your first kiss was from a girl who happened to be your 2nd cousin. While you did kiss a girl, she's still your cousin.
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Just now, stoneySIOUX said:
I had this conversation with someone previously away from here and I understand the frustration of not having "our guy", but I don't truly understand why this matters. We recruit the portal goalies to come here.
I'm not saying the portal goalies are bad, I am just asking why Berry loses faith in the ones he recruited to go out and get one from the portal? Are they not developing like they should? If we are relying on goalies from the portal (and we expect them to play lights out from the get-go), maybe our goalie coach isn't doing his job properly.
2024-25 University of North Dakota Hockey Season
in Men's Hockey
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Probably more than you contribute. I’d rather listen to someone who is honest about our situation than someone who tries to keep polishing a turd.