UND was horrible in 85-89. In 1985 I started going to UND games with my dad and my first one I went to was the East Stroudsburg game UND won 38-7, but then getting destroyed by pretty much the NCC teams including the king (NDSU), it wasn't a pretty sight, then in 86 I went to the Texas A&I game and have never seen a game that a defense didn't show up (67-44). I thought with Kurt Otto, Willis Jacox, and Tracy Martin we had a good offense...too bad our defense was bad (like our 2012 team), this 2013 team is comparable to the defense in the mid 80's plus the offense in 2010 (non existent). Did Lennon leave the cupboard empty in 2008 for Muss? Maybe, but Muss has had 6 seasons to fill it up and be competitive, major fail!!!! At least Roger Thomas took an empty team in 1986 and made it a contender by 1991 (just had to hurdle NDSU which was done in 1993), which team is Muss going to hurdle, EWU, MSU, Cal Poly? We can't hurdle Northern Colorado, and Portland State.